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Old 04-07-2008, 06:27 PM   #41
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It's not that you said something "good" about China. It's that you intimated that what China was doing to Tibet was a good thing.
I never said it WAS good. I can't speak for Tibetan people because I'm not a Tibetan. I only speak for myself, and I don't like the policies that Chinese government has on Tibet.

If I was born in Tibet, I wouldn't have to pay tuition fee which is two times higher than the local students to do my higher education overseas.

The province I was born was a huge tax source, however, the money we payed didn't used on us, but go staight to Tibet. The muslim temple and christian churches in my province have to fund themselves, but the temples and religious activities in Tibet could get fund from the government as long as it was registered.

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The CIA activity was stopped, but the policy never change. See Taiwan?

Personally I just think politics are just like kid's game, two 7-yr old boys fighting on the backstreet.

Speaking about the Olympics, I think the Chinese governmt now have a very big pressure, from it's own people. People now considering drop it, if it has to come with a price of lose Tibet.

The republic of China government was overthrown by Chinese people now ended up in Taiwan becasue the leader was far too friendly to the US specialists and international political consultants, and as a reasult China lost 3 provinces in the North at the begining of the WWII. The current Government would be overthrow immediately if anything similar ever happen again.
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I never said it WAS good. I can't speak for Tibetan people because I'm not a Tibetan. I only speak for myself, and I don't like the policies that Chinese government has on Tibet.

If I was born in Tibet, I wouldn't have to pay tuition fee which is two times higher than the local students to do my higher education overseas.

The province I was born was a huge tax source, however, the money we payed didn't used on us, but go staight to Tibet. The muslim temple and christian churches in my province have to fund themselves, but the temples and religious activities in Tibet could get fund from the government as long as it was registered.

Ahhhh. You've explained so much right here.

Nothing like "free" tuition to justify destroying an entire culture, wiping it from the face of the earth.
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Ahhhh. You've explained so much right here.

Nothing like "free" tuition to justify destroying an entire culture, wiping it from the face of the earth.
I don't know where you point is come from.

Do you mean that Australia shouldn't provide education to Chinese kids so they won't wipe Chinese culture away from the Chinese society living in Australia?
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I don't know where you point is come from.

Do you mean that Australia shouldn't provide education to Chinese kids so they won't wipe Chinese culture away from the Chinese society living in Australia?
What the hell? You were talking about how money goes to Tibet and how they don't have to pay tuition.
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What the hell? You were talking about how money goes to Tibet and how they don't have to pay tuition.
The free ed is called compulsory education. Don't you have it in your country?

I was talking about higher-ed only. Tibetan kids got profit of having lower entry requirement because Chinese is not their mother language, since their compulsory education was run in Tibetan. But we are both Chinese citizen, and the uni's are using my money, so why they got the profit not me? That's what I don't happy about.

I don't think one shoud just got the entry profit because your mother language is not the official language of the country. My mother language is not English, and I have to take English test to qualify the Uni entry in OZ. It's just not fair back home. I personally believe that the Chinese government should run a similar test system as the one we have in Australia, for all kids who don't have Chinese as their mother langauge, as part of the uni requirement.
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I was talking about higher-ed only. Tibetan kids got profit of having lower entry requirement because Chinese is not their mother language, since their compulsory education was run in Tibetan. But we are both Chinese citizen, and the uni's are using my money, so why they got the profit not me? That's what I don't happy about.
Is that the only thing?
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Nothing like "free" tuition to justify destroying an entire culture, wiping it from the face of the earth.

destroying an entire culture??

and wiping it from the face of the earth??


there is a lot of stuff going on all over the planet
that is much closer to what you write

than what is happening in Tibet
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I was talking about higher-ed only. Tibetan kids got profit of having lower entry requirement because Chinese is not their mother language, since their compulsory education was run in Tibetan. But we are both Chinese citizen, and the uni's are using my money, so why they got the profit not me? That's what I don't happy about.
First Nations peoples in Canada have a free university education as well. This includes all professional faculties, books, etc. They also pay no taxes.

I'm not particularly bothered about it, given the historical context, the fact they are riddled by poverty, the rampant substance abuse in northern reservations and so on. I think it is very similar to Tibet so I'm not really sure why you are so upset.
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destroying an entire culture??

and wiping it from the face of the earth??


there is a lot of stuff going on all over the planet
that is much closer to what you write

than what is happening in Tibet
Yeah. But this thread is about China and Tibet. Tibetans and their culture are being destroyed.

You just like to be contradictory and stir shit.
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First Nations peoples in Canada have a free university education as well. This includes all professional faculties, books, etc. They also pay no taxes.

I'm not particularly bothered about it, given the historical context, the fact they are riddled by poverty, the rampant substance abuse in northern reservations and so on. I think it is very similar to Tibet so I'm not really sure why you are so upset.
I have a very strong feeling that Canada and China are quite different


and treating other people, that take the time to post in this forum,
like we know more about their situation than they do
(you may recall some people telling you about Canadian Health care service)

does a disservice

I for one would like to learn about Chinese politics from the perspective on a Chinese person

butter7, thanks for taking the time to post in here
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and treating other people, that take the time to post in this forum,
like we know more about their situation than they do
(you may recall some people telling you about Canadian Health care service)

does a disservice
Excuse me, but I haven't even commented on Tibet in this thread apart from the one thing that was only ancillary so I'm not sure how I'm posting like I know more than their situation.

It also does a disservice when you impute motivations on other people.
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He may be referring to me. Although I'm not sure I did that anywhere.
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Yeah. But this thread is about China and Tibet. Tibetans and their culture are being destroyed.

You just like to be contradictory and stir shit.
I don't know who to say to you.

As a big trends of Globalization, it's not only Tibet, but across the globe. I guess you know what's Chinese building are look like? Take a look at the Forbidden City, and take a look of the new building today. How is the one who sufferes the most of the culture genocide (if you really have to use the word)?

English is the compulsory subject for Chinese kids since primary school. And even kindergarten would have some program of teaching kids some basic English. What's your point about this then?

A culture is not the one who stay in the museum and become a history snapshot, it's changing and it's developing. No one here could save the culture, if it stopped and lost it's life entirely. And I have faith in the native Tibetan people, who was born and rised in Tibet, for bring their culture to the new century.
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I think it is very similar to Tibet so I'm not really sure why you are so upset.

I don't see how Tibetans can be compared to "first nations" people.

I think both Tibetans and Chinese have been there for thousands of years.

I don't see where Butter7 is so upset.

I think he/she is just giving us some relevant information.

The Chinese people feel very strongly about Tibet. they would rather give up the Olympics than lose Tibet.

Chinese government provides some programs for Tibet that most Chinese people do not get.
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And I have faith in the native Tibetan people, who was born and rised in Tibet, for bring their culture to the new century.
If there are any Tibetans left.
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I for one would like to learn about Chinese politics from the perspective on a Chinese person

butter7, thanks for taking the time to post in here
You are welcome.

I just hope I could provide a window about what the whole thing was going on among Chinese people, since most people here can't read Chinese, and only could get information from the local media.

The whole Tibet thing really should have be solved as soon as possible. For us who enjoys discussing on the internet forum, it's only a thread, but for the people who live there, it's their families and lives.
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If there are any Tibetans left.

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destroying an entire culture, wiping it from the face of the earth.
how many have been wiped out?
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The whole Tibet thing really should have be solved as soon as possible.
What's the solution?
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Chinese government provides some programs for Tibet that most Chinese people do not get.
Is this so uncommon elsewhere in the world? Do other countries not often subsidize poorer regions at the expense of the rich ones? There are programs in place for some people that most other people don't get. I realize Canada is not China, but here's an example - in Ontario, students from northern (rural) areas are given preference in medical school admission, as well as significant tuition breaks and grants. I am not referring to First Nations (separate category), but rural, poor in disparate municipalities.

This is not unique to this province or this country. It may be that it helps harbor resentment elsewhere, but that doesn't mean that there aren't LEGITIMATE and justifiable economic reasons why programs like this exist.
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how many have been wiped out?
http://www.freetibet.org/info/key_issues.html


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Since 1950, an estimated 1.2 million Tibetans have been killed by the Chinese.
You'll find fault with my source, so go ahead and find a source that disputes it.
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