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Maybe. That would be interesting.
An Olympic Boycott: would it have any effect at all?
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Officials extinguish Olympic torch again
By Jerome Pugmire and Elaine Ganley, Associated Press Writers | April 7, 2008
PARIS --Security officials have extinguished the Olympic torch for a second time amid heavy protests during the torch relay in Paris.
Police have escorted the flame onto a bus, apparently to move it away from protesters.
The flame was being carried out of a Paris traffic tunnel by an athlete in a wheelchair when it was stopped because protesters booed and began chanting "Tibet."
It was the second time Monday that officials extinguished the torch amid protests. The procession was apparently being continued on board a bus.
By Jerome Pugmire and Elaine Ganley, Associated Press Writers | April 7, 2008
PARIS --Security officials have extinguished the Olympic torch for a second time amid heavy protests during the torch relay in Paris.
Police have escorted the flame onto a bus, apparently to move it away from protesters.
The flame was being carried out of a Paris traffic tunnel by an athlete in a wheelchair when it was stopped because protesters booed and began chanting "Tibet."
It was the second time Monday that officials extinguished the torch amid protests. The procession was apparently being continued on board a bus.
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Protesters on the Golden Gate Bridge today on CNN. Or streaming video: http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream2
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Butterscotch said:
Well, I think it's up to the athletes to decide what they wanted to do. And they should know that whatever they decide (yes or not), it would come with a cost.
What interesting is that people talks openly about culture genocide, however, it's Chinese culture actually made the human right and animal right condition as it is. Just like South Korean people crazy about dog meat, Chinese people, especially people live not so far away from Korea, include the province I came from, shares the same fever.
If Japan is allow to hunt extinct whale species in the name of culture protection and get away with it, why not China?
It's interesting that how many people shout free tibet has no idea what tibet was and what tibet is now. But the most interesting part is that Dalai Lama was on CIA's payroll, and young kids selected from Tibetan royal families were also trained by CIA with military skills. If I was an American citizen, I'd definitely want an explaination about WHY my tax money was used that way.
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butter7 said:
Are you actually working for the Chinese government?
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martha said:
No.
I work for juvenile Dibetes Research Foundation, a charity organization that "dedicate for finding a cure" for type 1 diabetes.
But your post has the attitude I got quite frequently. Anyone who ever say something good about China must be working for Chinese govnmt. LOL.
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It's not that you said something "good" about China. It's that you intimated that what China was doing to Tibet was a good thing.
butter7 said:
First of all, there is a lot of international controversy on Japan's continued whale hunting.
Secondly, are you seriously comparing the hunting of whales with the mistreatment, marginalization and even killing of Tibetans?
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That ended 35 years ago when US-China relations were normalized, so it's hardly likely to be on most Americans' priority lists at the moment.butter7 said:
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butter7 said:
Thanks for posting.
I think Olympic boycotts are wrong.
The games should be a time that politics are set aside.
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martha said:
I never said it WAS good. I can't speak for Tibetan people because I'm not a Tibetan. I only speak for myself, and I don't like the policies that Chinese government has on Tibet.
If I was born in Tibet, I wouldn't have to pay tuition fee which is two times higher than the local students to do my higher education overseas.
The province I was born was a huge tax source, however, the money we payed didn't used on us, but go staight to Tibet. The muslim temple and christian churches in my province have to fund themselves, but the temples and religious activities in Tibet could get fund from the government as long as it was registered.
to yolland:
The CIA activity was stopped, but the policy never change. See Taiwan?
Personally I just think politics are just like kid's game, two 7-yr old boys fighting on the backstreet.
Speaking about the Olympics, I think the Chinese governmt now have a very big pressure, from it's own people. People now considering drop it, if it has to come with a price of lose Tibet.
The republic of China government was overthrown by Chinese people now ended up in Taiwan becasue the leader was far too friendly to the US specialists and international political consultants, and as a reasult China lost 3 provinces in the North at the begining of the WWII. The current Government would be overthrow immediately if anything similar ever happen again.
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butter7 said:
Ahhhh. You've explained so much right here.
Nothing like "free" tuition to justify destroying an entire culture, wiping it from the face of the earth.
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martha said:
I don't know where you point is come from.
Do you mean that Australia shouldn't provide education to Chinese kids so they won't wipe Chinese culture away from the Chinese society living in Australia?
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butter7 said:
What the hell? You were talking about how money goes to Tibet and how they don't have to pay tuition.
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martha said:
The free ed is called compulsory education. Don't you have it in your country?
I was talking about higher-ed only. Tibetan kids got profit of having lower entry requirement because Chinese is not their mother language, since their compulsory education was run in Tibetan. But we are both Chinese citizen, and the uni's are using my money, so why they got the profit not me? That's what I don't happy about.
I don't think one shoud just got the entry profit because your mother language is not the official language of the country. My mother language is not English, and I have to take English test to qualify the Uni entry in OZ. It's just not fair back home. I personally believe that the Chinese government should run a similar test system as the one we have in Australia, for all kids who don't have Chinese as their mother langauge, as part of the uni requirement.
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butter7 said:
Is that the only thing?
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martha said:
destroying an entire culture??
and wiping it from the face of the earth??
there is a lot of stuff going on all over the planet
that is much closer to what you write
than what is happening in Tibet
butter7 said:
First Nations peoples in Canada have a free university education as well. This includes all professional faculties, books, etc. They also pay no taxes.
I'm not particularly bothered about it, given the historical context, the fact they are riddled by poverty, the rampant substance abuse in northern reservations and so on. I think it is very similar to Tibet so I'm not really sure why you are so upset.
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deep said:
Yeah. But this thread is about China and Tibet. Tibetans and their culture are being destroyed.
You just like to be contradictory and stir shit.
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I have a very strong feeling that Canada and China are quite different
and treating other people, that take the time to post in this forum,
like we know more about their situation than they do
(you may recall some people telling you about Canadian Health care service)
does a disservice
I for one would like to learn about Chinese politics from the perspective on a Chinese person
butter7, thanks for taking the time to post in here
deep said:
Excuse me, but I haven't even commented on Tibet in this thread apart from the one thing that was only ancillary so I'm not sure how I'm posting like I know more than their situation.
It also does a disservice when you impute motivations on other people.
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He may be referring to me. Although I'm not sure I did that anywhere.
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martha said:
Yeah. But this thread is about China and Tibet. Tibetans and their culture are being destroyed.
You just like to be contradictory and stir shit.
I don't know who to say to you.
As a big trends of Globalization, it's not only Tibet, but across the globe. I guess you know what's Chinese building are look like? Take a look at the Forbidden City, and take a look of the new building today. How is the one who sufferes the most of the culture genocide (if you really have to use the word)?
English is the compulsory subject for Chinese kids since primary school. And even kindergarten would have some program of teaching kids some basic English. What's your point about this then?
A culture is not the one who stay in the museum and become a history snapshot, it's changing and it's developing. No one here could save the culture, if it stopped and lost it's life entirely. And I have faith in the native Tibetan people, who was born and rised in Tibet, for bring their culture to the new century.
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I don't see how Tibetans can be compared to "first nations" people.
I think both Tibetans and Chinese have been there for thousands of years.
I don't see where Butter7 is so upset.
I think he/she is just giving us some relevant information.
The Chinese people feel very strongly about Tibet. they would rather give up the Olympics than lose Tibet.
Chinese government provides some programs for Tibet that most Chinese people do not get.
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butter7 said:
If there are any Tibetans left.
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deep said:
You are welcome.
I just hope I could provide a window about what the whole thing was going on among Chinese people, since most people here can't read Chinese, and only could get information from the local media.
The whole Tibet thing really should have be solved as soon as possible. For us who enjoys discussing on the internet forum, it's only a thread, but for the people who live there, it's their families and lives.
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martha said:
please do tell
how many have been wiped out?
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butter7 said:
What's the solution?
deep said:
Is this so uncommon elsewhere in the world? Do other countries not often subsidize poorer regions at the expense of the rich ones? There are programs in place for some people that most other people don't get. I realize Canada is not China, but here's an example - in Ontario, students from northern (rural) areas are given preference in medical school admission, as well as significant tuition breaks and grants. I am not referring to First Nations (separate category), but rural, poor in disparate municipalities.
This is not unique to this province or this country. It may be that it helps harbor resentment elsewhere, but that doesn't mean that there aren't LEGITIMATE and justifiable economic reasons why programs like this exist.
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deep said:
http://www.freetibet.org/info/key_issues.html
You'll find fault with my source, so go ahead and find a source that disputes it.
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