An Inconvenient Electric Bill

[UberBeaver]

Originally posted by INDY500


New York City will flood and all the polar bears will die if we don't hand over control of our economy to the U.N.

Scare tactics and panic. Is that the best you guys can come up with?

Well, it works for White House. Everyone should get a fair shake.

[BVS]

Originally posted by INDY500


New York City will flood and all the polar bears will die if we don't hand over control of our economy to the U.N.

Scare tactics and panic. Is that the best you guys can come up with?

Well whenever anyone states either one of those, come talk to me.

Until then all I see are some folks speaking out of context and little to no facts.

[phanan]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar
And what is Gore using his household for, how many employees are working from his house, etc...

I thought I read somewhere that a lot of his work on this issue is done at home, and that quite a few people who work for him assist there. That was a while ago, though, so my memory might be hazy.

But if that were the case, and he had a group of people who worked for him there, then wouldn't a better comparison be his house vs. where each one of us works?

I'll bet a gazillion bucks the place that I work at consumes a hell of a lot more energy than Gore's place.

[U2Man]

Originally posted by UberBeaver


I'm not going to get an answer, am I?

from the point of view of society, - yes an improved environment is good. but the individual economic agent is egoistic and chooses his own profits over the common values, such as the environment.

[verte76]

Al Gore has taught us alot, whatever his electrical bill is.

[INDY500]

Originally posted by U2Man


a great percentage of your own population would disagree.

I can put you down as feeling "guilty" then?

[elevated_u2_fan]

Originally posted by UberBeaver


I'm not going to get an answer, am I?

Nope... It pretty much boils down to:

a. It's too hard, the world is already doomed anyhow, it's somebody else's fault, school of thinking

or the always popular (and my personal favourite):

b. There is no proof, I don't believe you, don't make me give up my watefull lifestyle attitude...

[U2Man]

Originally posted by INDY500

I can put you down as feeling "guilty" then?

guilty of what?

[BVS]

Originally posted by AEON


When one of the most popular preachers in the US gets caught buying drugs and perhaps paying for homosexual sex – that pastor loses credibility. When a public figure like Al Gore gets exposed for living a life completely contrary to what he preaches, he loses credibility.

Once again you avoid the question by stating your opening statement all over again. It's a little habit of yours.

Show me how context may clear up paying for sex and drugs. Can't do it, can you?

My point is you're trying really hard to paint a picture of a hypocrite because it fits your agenda, but you don't have all the facts.

[BVS]

Originally posted by phanan


I thought I read somewhere that a lot of his work on this issue is done at home, and that quite a few people who work for him assist there. That was a while ago, though, so my memory might be hazy.

But if that were the case, and he had a group of people who worked for him there, then wouldn't a better comparison be his house vs. where each one of us works?

I'll bet a gazillion bucks the place that I work at consumes a hell of a lot more energy than Gore's place.

Yes but sometimes a grainy out of focus picture helps those who want to find fault.

[UberBeaver]

Originally posted by U2Man


from the point of view of society, - yes an improved environment is good. but the individual economic agent is egoistic and chooses his own profits over the common values, such as the environment.

I'm no Rhodes Scholar, but that's a fancy way of saying "Greedy/Selfish", isn't it?

[U2Man]

Originally posted by UberBeaver



I'm no Rhodes Scholar, but that's a fancy way of saying "Greedy/Selfish", isn't it?

well, i said egoistic.

[Rono]

Anyone interested in my electricity bill ?

[INDY500]

Originally posted by Irvine511


and, as the richest nation on earth -- but not the highest standard of living, Norway wins that -- it is incumbent upon us to not trash that which has given us so much.

and, yes, i hear the whole, "oh yeah? well you're just JEALOUS" that Americans often throw back in the face of criticism. and, often, they're right, it is just jealousy. but that has absolutely nothing to do with carbon emissions.

as for "the costs" of global warming -- well, if you'd like to SCUBA dive Venice, please, continue to pretend there's no problem.

At the risk of "driving you crazy." What is the "natural state" of North America? As it is today, or say, blanketed by sheets of ice as it was 70,000 to 10,000 years ago?
Which is better for humans?
More importantly, which is better for Polar bears?

[elevated_u2_fan]

Originally posted by Rono
Anyone interested in my electricity bill ?

Do tell...

[INDY500]

Originally posted by BonoVoxSupastar


Well whenever anyone states either one of those, come talk to me.

Until then all I see are some folks speaking out of context and little to no facts.

[Rono]

Originally posted by elevated_u2_fan


Do tell...

$ 189.78 for less than 1000 kwh for the year 2006,....


does that make me a hypocrite because i dont use wind power for my computer ?

[elevated_u2_fan]

Originally posted by Rono
$ 189.78 for less than 1000 kwh for the year 2006,....


does that make me a hypocrite because i dont use wind power for my computer ?

Yes... Yes it does.

I personaly generate power, the government currently owes me $1.7 billion dollars...

[redhotswami]

Originally posted by AEON
Gore is fraud. And believe me, the Republicans have their fair share of frauds as well.

But Global Warming is NOT a partisan issue. It is a damn shame that people keep trying to make it be. Fine, whatever if you don't want to believe Gore b/c you don't trust democrats...but you can't deny what the latest journals have been saying about this. I do not remember anywhere in his movie him talking about how great democrats are. All his data was backed up by scholarly research.

[AEON]

Originally posted by redhotswami


But Global Warming is NOT a partisan issue. It is a damn shame that people keep trying to make it be. Fine, whatever if you don't want to believe Gore b/c you don't trust democrats...but you can't deny what the latest journals have been saying about this. I do not remember anywhere in his movie him talking about how great democrats are. All his data was backed up by scholarly research.

I didn't post this to debate global warming. Jesus will fix it. I just wanted to point out that Gore is a fraud.