An Inconvenient Electric Bill

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Religious leaders urge action on warming

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Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders are urging President George W. Bush and Congress to take action against global warming, declaring that the changing climate is a "moral and spiritual issue."

In an open letter to be published on Tuesday, more than 20 religious groups urged U.S. leaders to limit greenhouse gas emissions and invest in renewable energy sources.

"Global warming is real, it is human-induced and we have the responsibility to act," says the letter, which will run in Roll Call and the Politico, two Capitol Hill newspapers.

"We are mobilizing a religious force that will persuade our legislators to take immediate action to curb greenhouse gases," it says.

The letter is signed by top officials of the National Council of Churches, the Islamic Society of North America and the political arm of the Reform branch of Judaism.

Top officials from several mainline Christian denominations, including the Episcopal Church, United Methodist Church, Presbyterian Church, African Methodist Episcopal Church and Alliance of Baptists also signed the letter, along with leaders of regional organizations and individual churches.

Rev. Joel Hunter, a board member of the National Association of Evangelicals, also signed the letter, though that group has not officially taken a stance on global warming due to opposition from some of its more conservative members.

"The letter is signed by top officials of the National Council of Churches, the Islamic Society of North America and the political arm of the Reform branch of Judaism."

W is finally uniting.

[A_Wanderer]

I want nothing to do with any of them.

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we have a faith-based war

we have faith-based aids programs

we have faith-based Judical appointments




why not have a faith-based response to global warming


espcially when it is backed up by an over-whelming majority of scientists.

[A_Wanderer]

So coopting religious lobby groups is alright when it fits your agenda?

A faith based response to global warming would be much like the rest of the faith based programs - spending without caring for results. Evidence and result based responses are what should count - and I have a problem with religious lobbies from millenialist conservatives to christian socialists.

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Originally posted by A_Wanderer
So coopting religious lobby groups is alright when it fits your agenda?

I would prefer they stay out of politics

but we have suffered through almost 7 years of an administration where they have had some influence


and people that don't support making changes are just playing into the hands of big business' wanting to maximize profits to record high levels

[A_Wanderer]

You say it like it's a bad thing (not the religion in government - which I think is a evil at all times - but record profits), it's that attitude in the environmentalism movement that demands environmental policy be used as a means to hurt big business that should discredit them. They are anti-capitalists masquerading with environmental peity (the anti-GMO, anti-nuclear and anti-trade platforms of their parties as supporting evidence).

How about unconventional solutions, mirrors in space or releasing extra sulphates up in the upper atmosphere to reduce the temperature change. Make a prize about it, one billion dollars would deliver more effective outcomes than any repressive carbon tax.

[upabove]

The whole big "green movement" has become a religion in itself. If one doesn't convert, they are persecuted by the green crusade.

This movement is not based on science, it is based on emotions and faulty logic, just like Christianity and all the other religions of the world.

Those who say that there is 100% scientific backing to the claims of Al Gore and those leading the green charge are lying to themselves. There are many, many studies that refute the claims of man's contribution to climate change. All there is is a theory, not proven scientific fact.

But, no one really much cares for facts these days. The feeling of being "right" is enough to convince anyone there is no other perspective.

See, a religion.

[BVS]

Originally posted by upabove
The whole big "green movement" has become a religion in itself. If one doesn't convert, they are persecuted by the green crusade.

This movement is not based on science, it is based on emotions and faulty logic, just like Christianity and all the other religions of the world.

Those who say that there is 100% scientific backing to the claims of Al Gore and those leading the green charge are lying to themselves. There are many, many studies that refute the claims of man's contribution to climate change. All there is is a theory, not proven scientific fact.

But, no one really much cares for facts these days. The feeling of being "right" is enough to convince anyone there is no other perspective.

See, a religion.

Very interesting 2nd post. I applaud you for your courage and hope you post more in FYM.

You're right though, nothing, and I repeat nothing is guaranteed by 100%. Not religion, not science, not love, nothing...

There are few absolutes in this world.

But that shouldn't ever stop anyone from trying to do what's right...

[Smallville]

Originally posted by upabove
The whole big "green movement" has become a religion in itself. If one doesn't convert, they are persecuted by the green crusade.

This movement is not based on science, it is based on emotions and faulty logic, just like Christianity and all the other religions of the world.

Those who say that there is 100% scientific backing to the claims of Al Gore and those leading the green charge are lying to themselves. There are many, many studies that refute the claims of man's contribution to climate change. All there is is a theory, not proven scientific fact.

But, no one really much cares for facts these days. The feeling of being "right" is enough to convince anyone there is no other perspective.

See, a religion.

I agree!

[LJT]

Even if it is shown somewhere along the line that global warming isn't man's fault, continued use of fossil fuels is still short-sighted and quite stupid.

The stuff coming out of your cars and power plants still pollutes, coal and oil will run out.

Eventually renewable resources will be a far cheaper option, and will certainly make for a cleaner and healthier earth, plus no reliance on hostile countries to supply oil, which I am sure it has already been mentioned.

For those reasons alone, I think it is reasonable enough to make being 'green' a top priority.

Honestly even if we are not at fault for climate change, I am really surprised we haven't mucked up the world more, with the stuff we have been filling it with, the contribution of humans to the planet hasn exactly been great. You wouldn't treat your own house half as badly as we do to the planet.

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June 17, 2008
-By Warner Todd Huston

In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President’s home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.

In the past year, Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.

Since taking steps to make his home more environmentally-friendly last June, Gore devours an average of 17,768 kWh per month –1,638 kWh more energy per month than before the renovations – at a cost of $16,533. By comparison, the average American household consumes 11,040 kWh in an entire year, according to the Energy Information Administration.

Tsk-tsk Albert

[BVS]

This included the energy it took to make the renovations and the increase of labor in his office.

I'm assuming this was taken into consideration, for no one would just look at the numbers point blank in order to point fingers.

[financeguy]

Originally Posted by LJT

Even if it is shown somewhere along the line that global warming isn't man's fault, continued use of fossil fuels is still short-sighted and quite stupid.

The stuff coming out of your cars and power plants still pollutes, coal and oil will run out.

Eventually renewable resources will be a far cheaper option, and will certainly make for a cleaner and healthier earth, plus no reliance on hostile countries to supply oil, which I am sure it has already been mentioned.

For those reasons alone, I think it is reasonable enough to make being 'green' a top priority.

Honestly even if we are not at fault for climate change, I am really surprised we haven't mucked up the world more, with the stuff we have been filling it with, the contribution of humans to the planet hasn exactly been great. You wouldn't treat your own house half as badly as we do to the planet.

That's always been my take on it - being nice to the environment and preserving resources is a good idea anyway, regardless of climate change.

[phillyfan26]

I don't really want to sift through this whole thread. I just want to know: are people dismissing global warming as a whole because Al Gore isn't the best conservationist?

Because that would be ... uh ... sketchy logic.

[sue4u2]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

This included the energy it took to make the renovations and the increase of labor in his office.

I'm assuming this was taken into consideration, for no one would just look at the numbers point blank in order to point fingers.

No, no one would do that.

My electric bill jumped significantly from last month and I've taken measures over the last couple of months to lower it.

Except for more money, Al Gore doesn't have any fuel alternative's other than we do. I can't make the renovations he can because I live in an apartment. If I had my own home, I would have to spend money, up front, to save in the long run. With the prospect that ultimately my investment would pay off.