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Old 04-25-2007, 11:51 PM   #301
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You guys do know that the one square of TP thing was said in jest, right?
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Old 04-26-2007, 01:03 AM   #302
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I beg to differ. One square of TP isn't going to make anyone feel good.


I think this might be my favourite post ever.
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Old 04-26-2007, 07:48 AM   #303
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No surprise really.
Like fluorescent light bulbs, one square of toilet paper, "green Oscars" or "Live Earth" concerts...real results aren't what matter.
No, what's important is that these things make us "feel good" and provide an avenue for remission of past "sins."
Actually the fluorecent bulbs are better, im just waiting until LED spot-lighting gets cheaper
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Old 04-26-2007, 09:02 AM   #304
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You guys do know that the one square of TP thing was said in jest, right?
Of course, but the problem is when she said it she should have realized how insane it would sound to the public and then you're just working against your own, legitimate goals. By saying that, to a lot of people Sheryl sounds like "just another wacko environmentalist" - so what was the point of the comment? Just defeats the purpose alltogether.
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Actually the fluorecent bulbs are better, im just waiting until LED spot-lighting gets cheaper
Provided you use enough of them.
They may be more energy efficient and last longer, but they have lower luminance in eye friendly colors.

LEDs may work for single use lighting put you certainly can't light a room with them, unless you have a disco ball.
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Like fluorescent light bulbs,
Do you know what you are talking about?
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Do you know what you are talking about?
Why?
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Why?
Well I'm wondering what your issue with flourescent lights is?

Are you against helping the environment in general?
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Old 04-26-2007, 01:22 PM   #309
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Well I'm wondering what your issue with flourescent lights is?

Are you against helping the environment in general?
1) They may be an alternative but they can't replace incandescence bulbs. Not yet anyway.

2) They have environmental concerns of their own. Mercury being the primary one.
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1) They may be an alternative but they can't replace incandescence bulbs. Not yet anyway.

2) They have environmental concerns of their own. Mercury being the primary one.
Well LED will be the way to go, but flourescents are excellent alternatives. And the latest bulbs definately are coming close to being able to replace incandescence.

The mercury used is miniscule and given how much they save is a non-issue.

I get the feeling you think all of this is a joke. That any means to save and protect is a waste. I'm not sure if it's based on misinformation you've been given or that you just don't care, because it won't effect you in your lifetime.
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1) They may be an alternative but they can't replace incandescence bulbs. Not yet anyway.

They've done a pretty good job of it in my house. And I like it bright.
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They've done a pretty good job of it in my house. And I like it bright.
But you won't, for example, find them lighting the stage at tonight's Democratic debate.
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Well LED will be the way to go, but flourescents are excellent alternatives. And the latest bulbs definately are coming close to being able to replace incandescence.

The mercury used is miniscule and given how much they save is a non-issue.

I get the feeling you think all of this is a joke. That any means to save and protect is a waste. I'm not sure if it's based on misinformation you've been given or that you just don't care, because it won't effect you in your lifetime.
Actually saving the planet is a shitty argument to convert; the long life span, high brightness and cool things you can do with them (LED setups) are much more attractive.
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Actually saving the planet is a shitty argument to convert; the long life span, high brightness and cool things you can do with them (LED setups) are much more attractive.
Well I think the fact that it's a double edged sword makes it even a better sale.
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Assaulting the public conciousness with tripe about each one of them being individually responsible for the end of the world just makes people tune out. Delivering the next generation of things that they use all the time that cut down energy use with a whole lot of new bells and whistles is much better.

If we have to be spending billions or trillions of dollars on saving the planet I say put the money into a massive carbon geosequestration program.
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Assaulting the public conciousness with tripe about each one of them being individually responsible for the end of the world just makes people tune out.
That's like saying don't educate the voters on the canidates.

Individuals need to be educated for they are the ones going to force corporations to make the changes. Otherwise we'll just continue living like we have no effect on the planet...
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Education should be different than indoctrination. Green groups still seem to show strong of opposition to GM technology and nuclear energy (things that reduce pesticide and fertilizer use as well as carbon emissions); the agendas of these types of parties is disagreeable to me. As far as being informed I think more people should be informed that Kyoto does nothing at all to stop global warming, that to actually solve the problem with such a regulatory framework needs severe cutbacks that will compromise both living standards and economy - if were playing the game of using the publics money for global warming then more funds to research and engineering solutions that gets carbon out of the atmosphere and back in the ground.

At the end of the day living green has to deliver what the consumer needs at a reasonable price; talking about sacrifice and pennance isn't a good way to sell anything.
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talking about sacrifice and pennance isn't a good way to sell anything.
You mean like war?
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Old 04-26-2007, 07:54 PM   #320
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Off topic, but Bush's popularity ratings would probably lend support to that statement since it wasn't sold as a long tough slog.

Then again plenty of people willingly embrace beliefs because of those feelings, the Catholic Church has worked it very well, but that mentality could never occur independently in the green movement, it could never border on religion.
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