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Old 08-11-2001, 07:22 AM   #21
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Ummm...excuse me, Melon...but let me remind you that the impeachment was not about
sex; it was about lying to a Federal grand jury, which by the way is something you or I would've been thrown in jail immediately for.
Lying seems to come with the job. List any president and you'll find tons of lies. Lying about sex, undoubtedly, is the least of all evils. Lying about everything else is listed as 'national security.' I don't know what is more unethical: lying and not getting caught or lying and getting caught. The latter seems to be the faux pas of politicians, while the former is a matter of boastful pride.

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And as a final thought, I never said that no one couldn't make fun of Clinton--such is the nature of free speech. However, don't come crying when the tables are turned and people are making fun of the current despot in office. It comes with the territory.

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List any president and you'll find tons of lies.
Bill Clinton didn't lie; he's a Democrat. At least that's how someone explained it to me.
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Lying seems to come with the job. List any president and you'll find tons of lies. Lying about sex, undoubtedly, is the least of all evils.
Melon, Melon, Melon - whether they all lie or not, the point is that they don't all lie to a federal grand jury!

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I don't expect the Democrats to act any less childish about name-calling, and jokes and such than the Republicans have been about Clinton. It all comes with the territory and is, for the most part, just for fun. It is sorta pointless to get angry when you see those things isn't it?

So, all in the name of good fun this is for the Republicans.







Hey Melon! Check out these anti-Bush bumper stickers on this website. There's even a, you guessed it, IMPEACH BUSH sticker there. Funny huh? http://www.gwbush.com/store/order.html

And to be fair, this is for the Democrats...






It is all really childish isn't it?




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Bravo Cathy!
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Actually, I think Johnny Swallow is kidding. I call him Dubya, and I'm probably his biggest supporter of all time. I don't see anything wrong with that nickname.
Ya took the words right outta my mouth. Another dyed in the wool republican here who refers to the President as Dubya. I don't think it's disrespectful at all, just a nickname. My family calls me Linky, not the best sounding nickname, but they love me......

don't they????........

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ok i could really careless about a nickname. Like come on people its a NICKNAME!

But what i would like to do is through a situation out there.

Say CLinton never got elected. Hilary did. But Hilary did all the same things Bill did. Would she have gotten the same bad rap from the media and the public.

I think everybody would have laughed it off. All the men would have been like OH YEAH!

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Dubya...


Dubya Dubya Dubya!!

"LINKY"?????

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Melon, Melon, Melon - whether they all lie or not, the point is that they don't all lie to a federal grand jury!
Ah yes. The key, to loosely quote Reagan, is not to lie, but to misinform.

1) Reagan, when questioned in the Iran-Contra scandal, said he had nothing to do with any of it. Recently declassified documents wholly implicates him in it all, from the convenient release of hostages on his inauguration (treason) to the covert arms sales, but we don't try dying people with Alzheimer's.

2) Bush I said that the Gulf War was not about oil interests, but to protect Saudi Arabia on request from their nation (our original intent at least). Quite the contrary, though, as declassified documents show that it was all on request from the oil companies, who saw it as a threat to their reserves.

But you are right. They don't all lie to a federal grand jury...or at least they didn't get caught lying in the case of Reagan.

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Is telling a lie to a jury worse than telling lies to the people who elected you?
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Is telling a lie to a jury worse than telling lies to the people who elected you?
By the law's definition, which is how impeachment was judged, yes.

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2) Bush I said that the Gulf War was not about oil interests, but to protect Saudi Arabia on request from their nation (our original intent at least). Quite the contrary, though, as declassified documents show that it was all on request from the oil companies, who saw it as a threat to their reserves.


Oddly enough, I seem to recall back in 1998 when Clinton was on the hot seat over the "sex-scandal", He suddenly decided to enforce the policy on Iraq and bombed a few targets. His timing was "odd" because he all but abandoned the use of force since 1993. One notable exception, of course would be the massive buildup of troops on the Kuwaiti border in late 1995 that sent myself and thousands of other troops over there for a 90 day "vacation".

In truth, the Saudi Arabian' army is weak and ineffective. Without our help, they would have been in serious trouble. We DID go over there to protect Saudi and we DID go over there to liberate Kuwait. And yes, OIL intrests were key. Another fact to consider, it is not wise to allow people to conquer and take over other nations. Sooner or later you will have to deal with them. It is better to stop them sooner, before they get out of control. Yes, this occurs in other places besides Iraq and Kuwait, and we do get involved at times. We don't have the resources to step in and resolve every conflict. And why should we? Why should the U.S. be the world police? Yes, I agree that we should assist when we can, and there was a valid need for help outside of the $oil$. But when and where do we draw the line?

Perhaps, instead of judging our leaders harshly on the basis of party lines, we should try and put ourselves in their place. We should try to understand why they make the decisions they do and how difficult it must be to deal with what they do on a daily basis. I probably would have had an intern too, just would have been more careful though...

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