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Old 04-26-2008, 03:03 PM   #21
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Ted Turner spilled some of the storyline. Apparently it's going to be "hotter in... 30 or 40 years," "none of the crops will grow" and "Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals."

Sounds exactly like the plot of Soylent Green to me but maybe the sfx will be better this time.

Anyway, I'll catch An Inconvenient Truth 2: Carbon Neutral Boogaloo at the drive-in from the comfort of my SUV.
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Anyway, I'll catch An Inconvenient Truth 2: Carbon Neutral Boogaloo at the drive-in from the comfort of my SUV.


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Old 04-29-2008, 10:20 PM   #23
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Agree,

but against so much $$$


I love lost causes
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What exactly is the lost cause in this situation?
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the meat industry is (apparently) responsible for one of the biggest demands on our environment
so maybe Gore will talk about this in the sequel

though I sort of doubt it
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What exactly is the lost cause in this situation?

The lost cause is common sense.


We place global warming at the top of our concerns

while millions are starving and wars (and threat of war) ravage our planet

abortion is common and of no concern to many

murder of another human being does not shock

families torn apart

children without fathers or mothers





we are numb
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Old 04-30-2008, 10:31 PM   #27
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Not!!
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while millions are starving and wars (and threat of war) ravage our planet
And what you and many don't see is that if we were actually more sustainable we could reduce war and starvation.

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abortion is common and of no concern to many
Wrong.

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murder of another human being does not shock
Wrong again.

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children without fathers or mothers
Yet some would rather keep these children without love due to their narrow strict definitions of what "parents" should be...
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The lost cause is common sense.


We place global warming at the top of our concerns

while millions are starving and wars (and threat of war) ravage our planet

abortion is common and of no concern to many

murder of another human being does not shock

families torn apart

children without fathers or mothers

we are numb

Global warming will have the most impact on the poor. Drought, extreme weather patterns and rising sea levels will impact the most on "third world" countries. And starvation is likely to cause more wars. Have you heard of the food riots in various parts of the world lately?

I don't undertand why people don't see that we depend on the planet being in good condition for our very existence. If we continue to treat the planet this way, what will we breath? What will we eat?

I think that those who are worried about global warming are concerned for more reasons than you seem to understand.
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Global warming and yet it still snows on the west coast of the good old United States in late April/early May. Anyway, we'll probably solve global warming as soon as we find out, and successfully employ a substitute for oil.
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In all honesty i felt the first film was more Al Gore talking about Al Gore than the enviroment
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I didn't see it, but it probably was.
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Anyway, we'll probably solve global warming as soon as we find out, and successfully employ a substitute for oil.
A big If is required there (for a substitute).


Michael Moore had some great points on Larry King:

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MOORE: I would assume so, because we're already at a peak here, where the actual -- the ability to manufacturer and produce oil -- we're at the limit now. And now we're going to be producing less and less each year for the next 10, 15, 20 years. And if there's only, some say, 40, 60 years of oil left that we can get out of the Earth, there's a calamity waiting to happen somewhere down the road. There's no discussion about it. We just lost eight years to try and do something about it.

KING: You're pessimistic.

MOORE: I am pessimistic about this. I just think because it's not part of the national conversation -- the only thing we seem to talk about is it's costing more to get to work. That's a horrible thing. Look, everybody's getting a check this week from Bush. So, they can give it back to Bush's oil buddies at the gas stations.
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We have the answer to the energy & food supply, global terrorism and pollution problems.

Use land for food and the atom for power. Al Gore won't make THAT movie.
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We have the answer to the energy & food supply, global terrorism and pollution problems.

Use land for food and the atom for power. Al Gore won't make THAT movie.
That sounds simple enough. But there are debates about whether nuclear power really is "safe". I live in New Zealand, where we won't even touch nuclear power. We rely on hydro-power for most of our electricity.
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That sounds simple enough. But there are debates about whether nuclear power really is "safe". I live in New Zealand, where we won't even touch nuclear power. We rely on hydro-power for most of our electricity.
Hydro is great except we don't have anymore rivers on earth to dam. None have been built in the U.S. since the 60's and the last dam built in the world (in China) displaced more than a million people.
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You can't implement fission reactors as a long term solution, not only is lead time to slow but the amount of fuel is limited. The safety of nuclear is much better than coal, there is disproportionate criticism and the green movement should be held to account over misrepresentation and fear mongering of the nuclear industry.

Long term solutions demand renewable or sustainable means of energy production. In a magical world a rollout of nuclear fusion reactors by the end of the century would be nice but failing that some sort of carbon capture technology seems the only real way to undo or minimise the damage.

Living standards demand energy and resource use, it is all well and good for us with out laptops, internet, houses/apartments, refrigerators etc. to complain about this but when we take the step of wanting to retard development around the world and deny people things that we already have it becomes a bit unethical.
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excelsior!

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More words of wisdom from THE GREAT AL GORE:

http://www.businessandmedia.org/arti...506160205.aspx
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You can't implement fission reactors as a long term solution, not only is lead time to slow but the amount of fuel is limited.
That presumes, of course, that nuclear reactors can only be done using uranium-235, which, indeed, is quite rare. However, that ignores the fact that it is, indeed, quite possible to have uranium-238 reactors, which constitutes the vast majority of natural uranium on the planet (99.2745% versus uranium-235, which constitutes 0.72%). With that, it is estimated that there is anywhere from 10,000 to five billion years worth of uranium-238 for nuclear power use. Russia, currently, has the only online uranium-238 reactor, which has been online since 1980. Japan has one too that has been shut down since 1996, but there has been talk of reviving it.

With that, that also doesn't take into account India's research into thorium-based nuclear reactors (as India has large deposits of this element), which, alone, is more plentiful than all the uranium on Earth. We can add, potentially, another 10,000 to five billion years onto the previous tally.

I think there is more than adequate reason to pursue nuclear power as a long-term power solution.
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