Aha, Seems maybe something WAS being done

80sU2isBest · 05-16-2002, 10:55 PM

by the Bush Admin to try to stop whatever Osama was planning...
http://msnbc.com/news/753359.asp

V Nura · 05-17-2002, 11:48 AM

NO NO NO 80's

they KNEW EXACTLY WHEN WHERE AND HOW

and they let it happen

(yes, sarcasm)

I hope some of the fools in the other thread read this and wake up

z edge · 05-17-2002, 06:06 PM

80'S
it points out some things mentioned before, like how quickly after 9/11 the media reported on Al Queda and Bin Laden. Remember that they have been suspects as far back as ten years ago. When the Oklahoma city Murrah Federal building blew up, the media was reporting mid-east terrorists almost immediately. That is before the evidence started to roll in, the highest probable speculation was being reported or alluded to.

Therefore, it makes perfect sense that the Bush administration was developing plans to wipe Al Queda off the earth. Considering the USS Cole and everything prior to it and the imminent threats, they were coming in to do their duty. The actual events of 9/11 happened first.

melon · 05-17-2002, 06:33 PM

I smell agitprop...

Melon

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LOVE MUSCLE · 05-17-2002, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by melon:
I smell agitprop...

Melon

You should, it's reeking from the left and hit the mainstream yesterday, still stinks

melon · 05-17-2002, 07:02 PM

I was referring to the MSNBC article. Just a lie to cover up a potential embarrassment.

What do I think happened? Al-Qaeda is known for barraging us with lots of false alarms and throwing in a real attack in it all. The Bush Administration, thinking it was a false alarm like the rest, overlooked this threat. No, it isn't some grand conspiracy; just human error. Unfortunately, that "human error" killed lots of people, but that is the nature of power.

Melon

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"Still, I never understood the elevation of greed as a political credo. Why would anyone want to base a political programme on bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness? Perhaps that was its appeal: the promise of luxury that in fact promoted endless work." - Hanif Kureishi, Intimacy

Miss MacPhisto · 05-17-2002, 08:14 PM

It takes one to know one, Arun.

Seems you received your wake up call on Sept 11th...
I'll bet any money you'll be receiving another one one day.
And another.
And another.
TILL YOU LEARN.

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Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you...

My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME...

"Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert

Well tonight thank God it's them, instead of you...

Lemonite · 05-17-2002, 09:04 PM

It seems that no one is paying attention to the many many other people who knew and heard this exact same warning that Bush was given.

L.Unplugged

EIB: SEnators Knew Too:

There's no question that this story about the White House receiving a generic hijack warning comes from a leak. This is a leak from somebody in the House or the Senate, either in the select, joint or bipartisan intelligence committee, or one of the two House or Senate intelligence committees. Somebody there got hold of all this and leaked it to the press.

Now, for that leak to happen, these people had to know, right? So we can ask, "What did they do?" Even if some of them didn't learn it until after September 11th, what are they doing sitting on the information all this time? There could be future attacks that we could be warned about! Remember, now: none of the aviation students referenced in the FBI Phoenix office memo have been connected to the hijackings of September 11th. That information didn't apply then, but the Senate's information sure does.

The Washington Post: "The information lacked specific details about how the terrorist plans would be carried out...the White House said last night that law enforcement agencies were quietly placed on alert as a result of the intelligence." So Bush did what was called for. He didn't panic the people. Senator Bob Graham (D-FL), chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that he has been told of a CIA document that reached Bush in August warning him of a more specific al-Qaeda attack involving an airliner. Graham said he had not read the document but that congressional staffers have. He's chairman, but he didn't bother to look at this!

Senator Shelby, the ranking Republican on intelligence, said "the Phoenix agent's memo was a very important warning and it wasn't heeded." On The Today Show, Senator Shelby admitted that his committee was aware of the general warning the president received in his daily briefing. So the question is: what did these senators and other members of that committee do with the information other than sit on their hands?

The news also talks about Bush having been briefed about possible hijackings by bin Laden's group, which does not appear to have been in the memo from the Arizona field office. But the argument is the same: What did the Senate do when informed about possible efforts by bin Laden cronies to get flight training at schools in Arizona? Answer: nothing. They didn't hold any hearings that we're aware of. They didn't call for any law enforcement academies that we're aware of, and they didn't subpoena any information.

The mainstream media has not asked and will not ask the senators these questions. Nor will they ask where this leak came from - and point the finger at the man who was thrown off this very same committee for leaking classified information before: Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont. Since this program is indeed show-prep for the cable news channels, let me help all of you find some other people to ask the question of the day: What did you know and when did you know it?

The Senate intelligence committee: Bob Graham, Carl Levin, Jay Rockefeller, Dianne Feinstein, Ron Wyden, Richard Durbin, Evan Bayh, John Edwards and Barbara Mikulski - Democrats. Richard Shelby, Richard Lugar, Fred Thompson, John Kyl, James Inhoff, Orrin Hatch, Pat Roberts and Mike DeWine - Republicans. These senators had the information. They're running around acting like they weren't in the loop, but they were indeed in the loop - where are the questions? Where?

diamond · 05-17-2002, 09:13 PM

Melon-
Please define "agitprop"

thanks-

diamond

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V Nura · 05-17-2002, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Miss MacPhisto:
It takes one to know one, Arun.

Seems you received your wake up call on Sept 11th...
I'll bet any money you'll be receiving another one one day.
And another.
And another.
TILL YOU LEARN.

You know what

You of all people have no rights to question my learning process of what I did and didn't learn. No one appointed you to evaluate me.

And if learning makes me share your views on everything I'd rather be a fool

[This message has been edited by Arun V (edited 05-17-2002).]

LOVE MUSCLE · 05-17-2002, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arun V:

You of all people have no rights to question my learning process of what I did and didn't learn. No one appointed you to evaluate me.

[This message has been edited by Arun V (edited 05-17-2002).]

Well said 1/2-Arun

diamond · 05-17-2002, 09:42 PM

MissMac-
Its time to chill and leave Arun alone.

DB9

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U2Bama · 05-17-2002, 09:48 PM

I think I might make up a story that G. W. Bush, Osama bin Laden, Ariel Sharon and Wayne Newton planned the whole thing at Waffle House one night, and I will leak it to the media.

~U2Alabama

diamond · 05-17-2002, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2Bama:
I think I might make up a story that G. W. Bush, Osama bin Laden, Ariel Sharon and Wayne Newton planned the whole thing at Waffle House one night, and I will leak it to the media.

~U2Alabama

HAHAHA

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diamond · 05-17-2002, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by U2Bama:
I think I might make up a story that G. W. Bush, Osama bin Laden, Ariel Sharon and Wayne Newton planned the whole thing at Waffle House one night, and I will leak it to the media.

~U2Alabama

HAHAHA

D
B
9

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U2Bama · 05-17-2002, 10:02 PM

HAHAHA

V Nura · 05-17-2002, 10:04 PM

HAHAAHAHA

Miss MacPhisto · 05-17-2002, 10:11 PM

Diamond, who fired the first shot here??? Arun did. I did not attack him first, he attacked me. I can tolerate constructive criticism, but i will never tolerate abuse, or attacks of any kind. I may just go right ahead and tell everyone all of the horrid things he has said about me, that i have tolerated out of the kindness of my heart.
Diamond and z edge, I dont know if i would be defending him so much if i were you...especially not Z Edge...He may not hold the high opinion you think he has of you...

Diamond, when arun stops his attack and attempts to make peace, then so will I. But not until then.

[This message has been edited by Miss MacPhisto (edited 05-17-2002).]

[This message has been edited by Miss MacPhisto (edited 05-17-2002).]

U2Bama · 05-17-2002, 10:38 PM

Give peace a chance, there is enough war in the world as it is.

This is not a personal thread; Arun_V never made personal references, he made a general comment; why are you making it personal?

~U2Alabama

[This message has been edited by U2Bama (edited 05-17-2002).]

Miss MacPhisto · 05-17-2002, 10:59 PM

Bama, you should hear my relatives argue politics. My God, you'd think they were gonna kill each other, seriously. Most of them are democrats, but they still have radically different views on many topics. Most recently i overheard them arguing over Israel/Palestine,etc...
They have their say, they make their points, sometimes they acknowledge that the others may be right, most often they dont, and stick to their point of view....But when all is said and done, and the topic finished, peace resumes. They dont usually carry their anger over into other conversations, or stay mad very long from what ive observed.
I think thats a good way to be, unless youre dealing with a sworn enemy or something.
When i get into arguments here, i try to leave it in the thread it started in. I *try* not to carry it over into other threads, and i try to forget about it as much as possible.
Too bad others here cant do the same thing...or at least try to talk it over rationally.
But i'm only human, and if someone takes the first shot at me, well, i'm sorry, but i am not turning the other cheek.
Except in extreme cases, i am always open to peace, and as long as the other individual is apologetic and acknowledges the pain they caused, then i can do the same.
Anyone who doesnt believe me can ask anyone who knows me in real life, and also on this forum, since there are a few people here i've battled with yet still enjoy their presence.
Too bad others choose to just provoke me more, and force me to hit back.

05-16-2002, 10:55 PM	#1
80sU2isBest Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 4,970 Local Time: 09:28 AM	Aha, Seems maybe something WAS being done by the Bush Admin to try to stop whatever Osama was planning... http://msnbc.com/news/753359.asp __________________

05-17-2002, 11:48 AM	#2
V Nura Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,760 Local Time: 03:28 PM	NO NO NO 80's they KNEW EXACTLY WHEN WHERE AND HOW and they let it happen (yes, sarcasm) I hope some of the fools in the other thread read this and wake up __________________

05-17-2002, 10:59 PM	#20
Miss MacPhisto Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Planet Pleba Posts: 1,957 Local Time: 06:28 AM	Bama, you should hear my relatives argue politics. My God, you'd think they were gonna kill each other, seriously. Most of them are democrats, but they still have radically different views on many topics. Most recently i overheard them arguing over Israel/Palestine,etc... They have their say, they make their points, sometimes they acknowledge that the others may be right, most often they dont, and stick to their point of view....But when all is said and done, and the topic finished, peace resumes. They dont usually carry their anger over into other conversations, or stay mad very long from what ive observed. I think thats a good way to be, unless youre dealing with a sworn enemy or something. When i get into arguments here, i try to leave it in the thread it started in. I try not to carry it over into other threads, and i try to forget about it as much as possible. Too bad others here cant do the same thing...or at least try to talk it over rationally. But i'm only human, and if someone takes the first shot at me, well, i'm sorry, but i am not turning the other cheek. Except in extreme cases, i am always open to peace, and as long as the other individual is apologetic and acknowledges the pain they caused, then i can do the same. Anyone who doesnt believe me can ask anyone who knows me in real life, and also on this forum, since there are a few people here i've battled with yet still enjoy their presence. Too bad others choose to just provoke me more, and force me to hit back. __________________

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05-17-2002, 06:06 PM	#3
z edge I serve MacPhisto Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: the HORROR Posts: 4,022 Local Time: 08:28 AM	80'S it points out some things mentioned before, like how quickly after 9/11 the media reported on Al Queda and Bin Laden. Remember that they have been suspects as far back as ten years ago. When the Oklahoma city Murrah Federal building blew up, the media was reporting mid-east terrorists almost immediately. That is before the evidence started to roll in, the highest probable speculation was being reported or alluded to. Therefore, it makes perfect sense that the Bush administration was developing plans to wipe Al Queda off the earth. Considering the USS Cole and everything prior to it and the imminent threats, they were coming in to do their duty. The actual events of 9/11 happened first.

05-17-2002, 06:33 PM	#4
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 10:28 AM	I smell agitprop... Melon ------------------ "Still, I never understood the elevation of greed as a political credo. Why would anyone want to base a political programme on bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness? Perhaps that was its appeal: the promise of luxury that in fact promoted endless work." - Hanif Kureishi, Intimacy

05-17-2002, 07:02 PM	#6
melon ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ásgarðr Posts: 11,789 Local Time: 10:28 AM	I was referring to the MSNBC article. Just a lie to cover up a potential embarrassment. What do I think happened? Al-Qaeda is known for barraging us with lots of false alarms and throwing in a real attack in it all. The Bush Administration, thinking it was a false alarm like the rest, overlooked this threat. No, it isn't some grand conspiracy; just human error. Unfortunately, that "human error" killed lots of people, but that is the nature of power. Melon ------------------ "Still, I never understood the elevation of greed as a political credo. Why would anyone want to base a political programme on bottomless dissatisfaction and the impossibility of happiness? Perhaps that was its appeal: the promise of luxury that in fact promoted endless work." - Hanif Kureishi, Intimacy

05-17-2002, 08:14 PM	#7
Miss MacPhisto Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Planet Pleba Posts: 1,957 Local Time: 06:28 AM	It takes one to know one, Arun. Seems you received your wake up call on Sept 11th... I'll bet any money you'll be receiving another one one day. And another. And another. TILL YOU LEARN. ------------------ Look...look what you've done to me...You've made me poor and infamous, and I thank you... My name is MISS MACPHISTO...I'm tired and i want to go HOME... "Well you tell...Bonovista,that i said hello and that my codename is Belleview" - Bono before opening night of Anaheim Elevation concert Well tonight thank God it's them, instead of you...

05-17-2002, 09:04 PM	#8
Lemonite I'm a chauvinist leprechaun Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Notre Dame, IN, 46556 Posts: 1,072 Local Time: 02:28 PM	It seems that no one is paying attention to the many many other people who knew and heard this exact same warning that Bush was given. L.Unplugged EIB: SEnators Knew Too: There's no question that this story about the White House receiving a generic hijack warning comes from a leak. This is a leak from somebody in the House or the Senate, either in the select, joint or bipartisan intelligence committee, or one of the two House or Senate intelligence committees. Somebody there got hold of all this and leaked it to the press. Now, for that leak to happen, these people had to know, right? So we can ask, "What did they do?" Even if some of them didn't learn it until after September 11th, what are they doing sitting on the information all this time? There could be future attacks that we could be warned about! Remember, now: none of the aviation students referenced in the FBI Phoenix office memo have been connected to the hijackings of September 11th. That information didn't apply then, but the Senate's information sure does. The Washington Post: "The information lacked specific details about how the terrorist plans would be carried out...the White House said last night that law enforcement agencies were quietly placed on alert as a result of the intelligence." So Bush did what was called for. He didn't panic the people. Senator Bob Graham (D-FL), chairman of the Senate intelligence committee, said that he has been told of a CIA document that reached Bush in August warning him of a more specific al-Qaeda attack involving an airliner. Graham said he had not read the document but that congressional staffers have. He's chairman, but he didn't bother to look at this! Senator Shelby, the ranking Republican on intelligence, said "the Phoenix agent's memo was a very important warning and it wasn't heeded." On The Today Show, Senator Shelby admitted that his committee was aware of the general warning the president received in his daily briefing. So the question is: what did these senators and other members of that committee do with the information other than sit on their hands? The news also talks about Bush having been briefed about possible hijackings by bin Laden's group, which does not appear to have been in the memo from the Arizona field office. But the argument is the same: What did the Senate do when informed about possible efforts by bin Laden cronies to get flight training at schools in Arizona? Answer: nothing. They didn't hold any hearings that we're aware of. They didn't call for any law enforcement academies that we're aware of, and they didn't subpoena any information. The mainstream media has not asked and will not ask the senators these questions. Nor will they ask where this leak came from - and point the finger at the man who was thrown off this very same committee for leaking classified information before: Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont. Since this program is indeed show-prep for the cable news channels, let me help all of you find some other people to ask the question of the day: What did you know and when did you know it? The Senate intelligence committee: Bob Graham, Carl Levin, Jay Rockefeller, Dianne Feinstein, Ron Wyden, Richard Durbin, Evan Bayh, John Edwards and Barbara Mikulski - Democrats. Richard Shelby, Richard Lugar, Fred Thompson, John Kyl, James Inhoff, Orrin Hatch, Pat Roberts and Mike DeWine - Republicans. These senators had the information. They're running around acting like they weren't in the loop, but they were indeed in the loop - where are the questions? Where?

05-17-2002, 09:13 PM	#9
diamond ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Az USA Posts: 12,856 Local Time: 07:28 AM	Melon- Please define "agitprop" thanks- diamond ------------------ AIM= diamondbruno9

05-17-2002, 09:42 PM	#12
diamond ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Az USA Posts: 12,856 Local Time: 07:28 AM	MissMac- Its time to chill and leave Arun alone. DB9 ------------------ AIM= diamondbruno9

05-17-2002, 09:48 PM	#13
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 09:28 AM	I think I might make up a story that G. W. Bush, Osama bin Laden, Ariel Sharon and Wayne Newton planned the whole thing at Waffle House one night, and I will leak it to the media. ~U2Alabama

05-17-2002, 10:02 PM	#16
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 09:28 AM	HAHAHA

05-17-2002, 10:04 PM	#17
V Nura Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,760 Local Time: 03:28 PM	HAHAAHAHA

05-17-2002, 10:11 PM	#18
Miss MacPhisto Banned Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Planet Pleba Posts: 1,957 Local Time: 06:28 AM	Diamond, who fired the first shot here??? Arun did. I did not attack him first, he attacked me. I can tolerate constructive criticism, but i will never tolerate abuse, or attacks of any kind. I may just go right ahead and tell everyone all of the horrid things he has said about me, that i have tolerated out of the kindness of my heart. Diamond and z edge, I dont know if i would be defending him so much if i were you...especially not Z Edge...He may not hold the high opinion you think he has of you... Diamond, when arun stops his attack and attempts to make peace, then so will I. But not until then. [This message has been edited by Miss MacPhisto (edited 05-17-2002).] [This message has been edited by Miss MacPhisto (edited 05-17-2002).]

05-17-2002, 10:38 PM	#19
U2Bama Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gulf Coast State of Mine Posts: 3,405 Local Time: 09:28 AM	Give peace a chance, there is enough war in the world as it is. This is not a personal thread; Arun_V never made personal references, he made a general comment; why are you making it personal? ~U2Alabama [This message has been edited by U2Bama (edited 05-17-2002).]