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Old 11-22-2004, 02:38 PM   #1
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Ah-nold starts a third party?

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/0...9whisplead.htm

Alien Arnold
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has a plan for the future. Friends say the Austrian-born actor is looking for an "entity" to help him push for changing the nativity provision of the U.S. Constitution so he can run for president. Two ideas are under study. One is to work with Congress to change the law barring foreign-born American citizens from becoming president, then to sell it to states. Another is bolder and riskier: creating a third party to push his idea, a move that may lose him Republican support.


could it work? who would be in this party? what would it's platform be? where would it stand on social issues? economic? military? what current politicians would hang up their R or D hat and joint? could Arnold save the country from a 2nd civil war or is he just a more muscular Ross Perot? could the Republicans ever support a pro-choice, pro-stem cell, pro-gay, pro-medicinal marijuana politican who has smoked dope, had a whole bunch of sex (sometimes in groups!), and is married to a Kennedy on a national ticket? could Arnold be secretly plotting to destroy the Republican party as we know it? to set the McCain-Giuliani wing against the Santorum-DeLay faction?

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I like his stance on many issues, but it still scares me a bit and I don't like the idea of changing the Constitution for him or anyone else. I think maybe he's power hungry

Has he had more sex than Clinton?
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Old 11-22-2004, 02:51 PM   #3
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If Arnold chose the third party route, it would be the ego party. Name recognition will only carry you so far. And both parties have plenty of political ammo stockpiled to take out Arnold.
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I'm one for third parties, but I'm not for change of the constitution for only one person. Seems like we're a little too eager to change the constitution these days and it's not even for the overwhelming majority.

I agree with Arnold on a few issues, but I really don't want to see an arrogant mysoginist ass in the office, especially one that did Kindergarden Cop.
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The republicans may want Arnold NOW, but what about future "foreign" candidates that they may fear? Think ahead, not on one person.
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I don't like the mysogynist crap either He tries to pass it all off as joking and fun. Many men who are like that try the same tactic.

I guess since Maria says he's not like that though, we should just believe that
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especially one that did Kindergarden Cop.
but he was so good with the children..
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I always thought that was the most idiotic part of our government....only 2 main partys?? That's like having a jury with an even number of poeple! Where's the tie-breaker? The U.S. is too stupid to change though so I'll believe it when I see it.

I don't agree with changing the natural-born president thing though.
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but he was so good with the children..
but what of the women.......







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I don't think they should change the constitution for one guy. Maybe if I was a bigger fan of Schwarzenegger's I'd support it, and well, heck, he is a moderate and moderate presidents are OK by me. But I can't see myself voting for the guy, period. There are too many things that annoy me about the guy.
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I always thought that was the most idiotic part of our government....only 2 main partys?? That's like having a jury with an even number of poeple! Where's the tie-breaker? The U.S. is too stupid to change though so I'll believe it when I see it.
I strongly agree with this. There's got to be more than 2 sides to a story. At least sometimes.
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Get that constitutional amendment through and the flood gates will be opened and then what will you get?

U2 Democrat / A_Wanderer united party ticket 2032 (we all know that I will have established longstanding ties with organised crime and will use my multi billion dollar fortune to "swing" such an unlikely ticket into existence, mwhoahaha.

In a slightly less megalomaniacal tone allowing foreign born citizens to run for such an office would not be such a great idea, but President Ahhnold would be a good movie.
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I really have trouble seeing how this guy is Republican. I mean I know he's pro-big business, but most democrats are. I mean, this is the captialist centre.
It's weird, he is seen as such a manly man, but he supports so many "woman's" issues. He confuses me...
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Oh, and i think foreign born citizens should be able to run for president. Of course we should have a expectation like, one must be a legal citizen of the US for X many years (I'm thinking like 25-30)
Oh, and why are we Americans so damn afraid of mending the constitution (look, I didn't even capitalize it). It's just paper. Hell, within the constitution it calls that it should be changed to keep with the times...the elasticity clause i believe.
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I really have trouble seeing how this guy is Republican. I mean I know he's pro-big business, but most democrats are. I mean, this is the captialist centre.
It's weird, he is seen as such a manly man, but he supports so many "woman's" issues. He confuses me...
That's why I would never vote for him. So many women's issues, so few fetal issues. He's basically a liberal to me who supports tax cuts and a few other financial conservative issues.
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Actually, I don't think birthplace should determine a person's right to run for president. Generally I think the law is ridiculous and they should change it, but there is always a card to play concerning a foreign-born person alot of people don't want in the White House. For a long time it was Kissinger, now it's Schwarzenegger.
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and for all you Democrats .... the "arnold amendment" would allow us to get the very lovely and talented Jennifer Granholm, governor of Michigan (and Canadian). she's a perfect, perfect VP candidate -- female, successful, and from a Midwestern sort of swing state.
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I think one must be careful about ammending the constitution, it's not just a piece of paper. I agree being born here doesn't make a lot of sense as a qualifier. But one guy with a little bit of clout comes along and asks for it to change to suit his needs. Ok so we change it, then another person comes along gets a little clout and says that the minimum 14 years of living here doesn't make sense for me. So we change it, next thing we know someone slips under the radar wins the presidency and destroys are country from within. I know this is an extreme case, but hopefully you see my point. I agree we should ammend our constitution with the changing of times, that's one of the beauties of our constitution. But for one man? A change in the constitution should benefit all. We don't want people changing the constitution because one guy comes in this group really likes him so then they change term limits so he can stay longer, then make a few more changes next thing we know we have a dictator.
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as this also relates to other recent proposals to change the constitution, i thought i'd let television's most intelligent show, The Simpsons, offer us a bit of insight:

[Little Boy] Hey, who left all this garbage on the steps of Congress?

[Amendment] I'm not garbage
I'm an amendment to be
Yes, an amendment to be
And I'm hoping that they'll ratify me
There's a lot of flag-burners who have got too much freedom
I want to make it legal for policemen to beat 'em
'Cause there's limits to our liberties
At least, I hope and pray that there are
'Cause those liberal freaks go too far

[Little Boy] But why can't we just make a law against flag burning?

[Amendment] Because that law would be unconstitutional
But if we change the constitution -

[Little Boy] - Then we could make all sorts of crazy laws!

[Amendment] Now you're catching on!

[Little Boy] But what if they say you're not good enough to be in the constitution?

[Amendment] Then I'll crush all opposition to me!
And I'll make Ted Kennedy pay
If he fights back, I'll say that he's gay

[Congressman] Good news, amendment! They ratified you!
You're in the US Constitution!

[Amendment] Oh, yeah! Door's open, boys!
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One of the greatest shows ever.
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