A swing with a hard wooden seat and a tall steel slide...

[Cin]

It's not that it kills children, it's that it makes them stupid and a pain in the ass to deal with.

oh my god, they must feed lead to kids in school, that explains so much

 

[indra]

oh my god, they must feed lead to kids in school, that explains so much

I was going to add "and they're already bad enough as it is!" but I decided against it at the last moment.

 

[Vincent Vega]

Yeah, it's killed millions....if you believe the hype.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n8_v47/ai_16929578

We have alternatives that don't harm and use them... what's wrong with it?

 

[Hinder]

I dunno - I can't imagine those giant rubber things they put out feel much better when a kid falls on his head on one of those..?

I mean, scraped parts are easy to get over. Yes, they hurt, and should be attended to, but ye. Gods. Do we really have to protect kids from /that/?

There's a happy medium out there, I think - some stuff they just have to learn to get over, with serious swiftness.

 

[Vincent Vega]

It's not like this rubber protects you from scratches and hard landings. But it protects you from getting hurt seriously, like breaking your bones or worse. Rubber absorbs some of the energy, so it's a good replacement of stone (but not of sand).

 

[CTU2fan]

It's not like this rubber protects you from scratches and hard landings. But it protects you from getting hurt seriously, like breaking your bones or worse. Rubber absorbs some of the energy, so it's a good replacement of stone (but not of sand).

Exactly. It's kind of like wearing a cup. I played goal (hockey) up through college, and took the odd shot off the cup. If hurt like an SOB, for a long time...but thanks to the cup everything is still in place & working.

Sliding on that rubber would give you a pretty nasty raspberry, but you won't leave half the skin on your legs on the pavement.

 

[BVS]

Yeah, it's killed millions....if you believe the hype.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n8_v47/ai_16929578

Sometimes I wonder if you go out of your way to not believe in science...

 

[A_Wanderer]

While tracking an article refering to misuse of sources in a decade old health scare is hardly a reasonable argument (is it pro-lead paint?) there are examples where public health issues are abused by stories based on studies with tenuous results or poor methodology (the MMR vaccine -> Autism scare for instance). Of course given the original posters ostrich like attitude towards smoking in cars and simultaneous blame shifting of obesity onto corn syrup (selective bias to blame or exclude unevenly) I can see what you mean.

 

[the iron horse]

Sometimes I wonder if you go out of your way to not believe in science...

I dont, but I also dont believe everything Big Brother is piping out to us as science.


Is it bad to question stuff?

Is another point of view not welcome?

 

[Vincent Vega]

Is it bad to question stuff?

If it's questionable, not. Otherwise...

 

[A_Wanderer]

I dont, but I also dont believe everything Big Brother is piping out to us as science.


Is it bad to question stuff?

Is another point of view not welcome?

If the other point of view has the evidence fitted around it it isn't nearly as productive, for instance that lead paint article criticised a report based on an outdated epidemiology study, lead poisoning is still a danger from lead paint; if your extrapolating it to say that lead paint is safe then your entirely wrong. The other fallacy that pops up is anecdotal evidence, which is worthless, just because a great uncle smoked a pack a day and lived to be 102 doesn't mean that smoking is safe - when this line of anecdotal thinking is employed to justify harm against unconsenting parties (such as children in a smoke filled car) it is quite dodgy indeed.

Explanations are not equally valid in the scientific method, for a view to be entertained seriously it should explain the facts better than the other ones. The expectation that science must accommodate bad thinkng because it's out there is wrong, it ceases being an explanation for real world occurances.

 

[Irvine511]

Is it bad to question stuff?

Is another point of view not welcome?

is it bad to question science with nostalgia or religion, probably because it feels good?

 

[melon]

Is it bad to question stuff?

Is another point of view not welcome?

It is welcome when such points of view are backed up with evidence. Otherwise, as the scientific method would state, no, they are not welcome.

Science basically tells us to "put up or shut up."

 

[the iron horse]

It is welcome when such points of view are backed up with evidence. Otherwise, as the scientific method would state, no, they are not welcome.

Science basically tells us to "put up or shut up."

OK,

I will wait on the science on recent deaths from lead based paint.

 

[A_Wanderer]

Would that be the lead based paint that has been phased out of use in the developed world? If people aren't getting Polio (in most places) does that mean that it is up for reevaluation?

 

[BVS]

OK,

I will wait on the science on recent deaths from lead based paint.

This makes no sense

 

[the iron horse]

This makes no sense

Not much in this world system does.

Take care

 

[BVS]

Not much in this world system does.

Take care

Actually quite a bit does, but you want science on something that doesn't really exist anymore... that doesn't make sense.

That's like testing if smoking kills on someone who has never smoked. Tell me how that makes sense in your world?

Take care

 

[the iron horse]

"Tell me how that makes sense in your world?"


My faith in that rebel from Nazareth.

 

[BVS]

That's cool, you can avoid the question, it's your MO

Have a good Thanksgiving.

 

[martha]

I will wait on the science on recent deaths from lead based paint.

Would you settle for simple brain damage? Or does it have to be deaths for you to agree that it's dangerous?

 

[MadelynIris]

I've eaten pleanty of lead tonight, and I do declare, I have induced some brain damage.

Weird Science.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

Weird Science.

"Plastic tubes and pots and pans, bits and pieces..."

Sorry. Couldn't resist .

Angela

 

[the iron horse]

I've eaten pleanty of lead tonight, and I do declare, I have induced some brain damage.

Weird Science.

I hope you avoided the diet sodas.

 

[Irvine511]

My faith in that rebel from Nazareth.

and you've completely shaped that rebel from Nazareth into your own system of self-justification for whatever your habits might be.

and that's cool.

that's how it works.

// all because of YOU //

 

[melon]

My faith in that rebel from Nazareth.

I'm generally dismayed by those who confuse faith with foolishness. I generally hate to resort to trite little parables, but I figure it's appropriate here. Consider this my "Sunday Dispatch."

There was a man named John who lived in a small town in the lower plains of Texas. He was an extremely devoted Christian man and loved by many. He went to church every Sunday, read his Bible daily, and never denied giving help to all those within his reach. The faith he demonstrated in God was unsurpassed anywhere in Texas and should make us all positively envious!

One year, the rainy season came with much more rain than anyone could remember. The dams, dikes, and flood control channels were filled to capacity. The weather people predicted the worst storm of the season was on its way. The authorities called for the voluntary evacuation of John's town. Immediately the panic went out!

People started cleaning the stores out of food and water and heading for higher ground. John's heart went out to his neighbors and their current plight. He assured them all that God would protect them all if they trusted in Him. John stood outside his house as his neighbors were packing their cars, trucks, and RVs. His next door neighbor and best friend asked him why he was not packing up. John said, "Because God will take care of me!"

The heavy rain of the newest storm came as predicted. Quickly the streets began to flood as the water had nowhere else to go. John decided to walk across the street to get a better view of what was happening. All the previous rains had already compromised the asphalt John was walking on. John quickly sunk into a sink hole that formed under his feet. He tried without success to get himself out, but, he was stuck.

John said to himself, "This is not good. Not good at all!" He had sunk down to his knees and the water was rising. He decided not to panic. He lifted his hands towards heaven and began to pray. "Dear Lord", John said, "I am in a serious predicament here. I trust in you more than anything in this world and know you will get me out. All things in life happen for your glory."

His best friend saw him in the sink hole as he was preparing his exit out of town. The waters were rising fast! "John", his friend said, "Give me your hand and I will pull you out of there!" John said, "NO! All things happen for the glory of God. He will get me out. I believe His word."

His friend, fearful of the fast rising water, decided not to argue with him and made it towards higher ground. He did not have time to convince John otherwise since his family was in danger. John prayed a second time as the cold waters rose to his waist. "Dear Lord", John said, "I trust in you and know you will get me out of here. All things in life happen for your glory and I ask you to use me as your instrument and example for others."

A stranger in a boat then came rowing on by. "Give me your hand, buddy, and I will pull you into my boat." John said, "NO! God will work his glory here today." The stranger shook his head in disbelief and rowed away. John prayed a third time as the waters rose to his neck. "Dear Lord", John said, "I continue to trust in you and know you will get me out of this mess. All things in life happen for your glory and I call on my faith in you to get me out, in Jesus' name I ask this."

A rescue team in a helicopter then flew over head. A member of the County Search and Rescue Team hung down from a rope ladder. The man said, "Give me your hand, Sir, and I will pull you up out of there." John said, "NO! God will work his glory here today." The rescue crew chief yelled down and asked what was the hold up. "If he does not want to come up, we do not have time to waste. I can see a lady on a roof with three kids who need our help." So, off they flew.

The water soon went over John's head and he drowned. John's soul was quickly taken up by the angels and taken before the throne of Almighty God. God questioned John, "Are you not happy to be here, my child?" John replied that he was extremely happy to be in the full presence of God, but, he was troubled.

John said, "I do not understand, Lord. I prayed for help three times, I believed, did not doubt in you one little bit, yet, you let me drown and die. Was it weakness in my faith that led me to this, Lord?"

God shook His mighty head and said to John, "My child, when you turned to my Son and became a Christian, I put my eternal mark on you. I love you dearly and would never leave you no matter what trials or hardships you encountered. BUT YOU FOOL! Three times you prayed for my help and three times I sent someone to help you. Each time you foolishly refused the help I sent!"

The moral of this story being that we can always trust in God when we commit our lives to Him. However, we must always be open minded to the ways He chooses to help us. Most of the time the way He helps us may require some work on our part.

 

[phillyfan26]

I'm generally dismayed by those who confuse faith with foolishness. I generally hate to resort to trite little parables, but I figure it's appropriate here. Consider this my "Sunday Dispatch."

QFT

 

[anitram]

QFT

Q.E.D.

Ok, I feel a lot better now.

 

[LemonMelon]

Sometimes I wonder if you go out of your way to not believe in science...

Science is a waste of time. Then again, I've been around my share of lead paint. And kids like me are your future. (j/k on all counts )

Seriously, go ahead and get safer material for the damn swingsets. No broken bones > broken bones. Don't see what's so complex about that.

And thanks a lot, Iron Horse, for making Christians like me look like morons. For the record, not all Christians believe in exposing their young children to lead paint.

 

[the iron horse]

Science is a waste of time. Then again, I've been around my share of lead paint. And kids like me are your future. (j/k on all counts )

Seriously, go ahead and get safer material for the damn swingsets. No broken bones > broken bones. Don't see what's so complex about that.

And thanks a lot, Iron Horse, for making Christians like me look like morons. For the record, not all Christians believe in exposing their young children to lead paint.

No problem LemonMelon.

Please stay tuned as we await the child deaths from this year's Christmas toys.