9/11: The most over-rated thing ever? - Page 4

sharky · 09-08-2002, 10:14 PM

Ok, its my turn to state my opinion and make you all pissed off at me.

In terms of merchandising and media coverage, its way out of control. TV stations are doing this to get ratings and give Americans what they want to see.

But I admit I am offended that those of you who call yourselves Americans try to attach yourselves to the tragedy the way you are in this discussion. Yes this was an attack on America but it was also an attack on New York. All these so-called Americans who thought NYC was smelly and dirty and filled with rude people before Sept. 11 turned around and said everyone was a New Yorker and they loved this city. And yet when the chips were down, they sent us a check, turned off the TV and became isolationist and closed minded instead of trying to understand why people hate us. I feel some of you are doing that in this thread-- the whole they attacked America-- and that lack of understanding is putting all of us in danger again.

I'm really sorry you all had to watch this tragedy on TV but I was there in person. I was two blocks away from the south tower when it collapsed. I still know what those buildings tasted like, what that cloud of debris looked like, what it felt like to think I was going to die. And yet the last time I was down at Ground Zero [two weeks ago] there were a bunch of amusement park tourists smiling with a big gapping hole behind them as if the trade center was still a tourist attraction.

I'm glad you all feel the pain of what happened that day but don't try and act like because you're an American you're a martyr. You got to watch it on TV and forget about it until the anniversary. I wish I could have done that.

**Bonochick** · 09-08-2002, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by RavenStar
Like I said. Being killed, raped, etc, is NOT lucky. Having lived in a good country IS lucky.

Yes...it's nice that they were able to live in a good country. However, nothing can justify or soften such a tragic ending to an innocent person's life.

RavenStar · 09-08-2002, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sharky
Ok, its my turn to state my opinion and make you all pissed off at me.

In terms of merchandising and media coverage, its way out of control. TV stations are doing this to get ratings and give Americans what they want to see.

But I admit I am offended that those of you who call yourselves Americans try to attach yourselves to the tragedy the way you are in this discussion. Yes this was an attack on America but it was also an attack on New York. All these so-called Americans who thought NYC was smelly and dirty and filled with rude people before Sept. 11 turned around and said everyone was a New Yorker and they loved this city. And yet when the chips were down, they sent us a check, turned off the TV and became isolationist and closed minded instead of trying to understand why people hate us. I feel some of you are doing that in this thread-- the whole they attacked America-- and that lack of understanding is putting all of us in danger again.

I'm really sorry you all had to watch this tragedy on TV but I was there in person. I was two blocks away from the south tower when it collapsed. I still know what those buildings tasted like, what that cloud of debris looked like, what it felt like to think I was going to die. And yet the last time I was down at Ground Zero [two weeks ago] there were a bunch of amusement park tourists smiling with a big gapping hole behind them as if the trade center was still a tourist attraction.

I'm glad you all feel the pain of what happened that day but don't try and act like because you're an American you're a martyr. You got to watch it on TV and forget about it until the anniversary. I wish I could have done that.

I couldnt agree with you more. Very well said. Man, I suck at explaining things.

**Bonochick** · 09-08-2002, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sharky
I'm really sorry you all had to watch this tragedy on TV but I was there in person. I was two blocks away from the south tower when it collapsed. I still know what those buildings tasted like, what that cloud of debris looked like, what it felt like to think I was going to die. And yet the last time I was down at Ground Zero [two weeks ago] there were a bunch of amusement park tourists smiling with a big gapping hole behind them as if the trade center was still a tourist attraction.

I'm glad you all feel the pain of what happened that day but don't try and act like because you're an American you're a martyr. You got to watch it on TV and forget about it until the anniversary. I wish I could have done that.

I can understand where you are coming from. The events of September 11th touched every American (and so many, many other people in the world) and continue to do so. However, I would never go so far as to say we were all equally affected. Those like you who witnessed it firsthand definitely have it a lot harder than those of us who witnessed it on the TV while sitting on our comfy couches.

V Nura · 09-08-2002, 10:18 PM

Not being kicked in teh head on a daily basis..is lucky....what's your point?

tragedy is tragedy...life is life..no matter where you live.

and I dont' think you understand that some of us knew people in those towers

RavenStar · 09-08-2002, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bonochick

Yes...it's nice that they were able to live in a good country. However, nothing can justify or soften such a tragic ending to an innocent person's life.

I never said it does. Im just saying it could have been worse.

RavenStar · 09-08-2002, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by Arun V
Not being kicked in teh head on a daily basis..is lucky....what's your point?

tragedy is tragedy...life is life..no matter where you live.

and I dont' think you understand that some of us knew people in those towers

I knew people in those towers too. One of them got out, the other didnt. Life is not just life. There is a good life, and a not so good life. Living in America usually means a good life. Living in Africa usually means a not so good life.

V Nura · 09-08-2002, 10:25 PM

OK..let's look at teh other side of YOUR argument

if 3,000 africans died in a manner similar to sept 11th

should I feel glad because tehy were liberated of a life of suffering????

certainly not....though what's happening in Africa is terrible

it does not make sept 11th any less tragic

and for you to assign degrees of value to human life based on the affluence and freedoms they are afforded is wrong.

**KhanadaRhodes** · 09-08-2002, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by diamond
Your views re this topic come accross as being "sub-human"

Your understanding of Satanism doent espouse subhuman beliefs does it?

i was once called subhuman by an aethist. who is also jewish. by saying he's jewish i mean his parents are jewish, and he celebrates jewish holidays with them. yet he called himself an aethist. i know this has nothing to do with the topic, but i was kinda hoping to confuse everyone.

Screaming Flower · 09-08-2002, 10:26 PM

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Originally posted by RavenStar
I couldnt agree with you more. Very well said. Man, I suck at explaining things.

give me a fucking break and make up your mind already. why don't you actually think first and then say what you mean rather than backpeddle and try and jump on board the first intelligent response that you agree with. you've changed "what you meant" three times already. this thread is a joke.

Danospano · 09-08-2002, 10:35 PM

I also believe that it's an issue of America wanted pity for their punishment. What do I mean by punishment? Well, I guess I'm refering to the rape, murder and betrayal of the U.S. government and everything it stands for. I also refer to the hundreds of millions of Native Americans who never got an annual remembrance for their ancestors deathes that occured year after year for over 500 years and counting.

We should forget this is anything special and move on with our lives. We should start caring for the living. The dying in Africa, the ignorant in Asia, the souless in America. These are much more prudent in our current times.

Amen....

adamswildhoney · 09-08-2002, 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by Screaming Flower

give me a fucking break and make up your mind already. why don't you actually think first and then say what you mean rather than backpeddle and try and jump on board the first intelligent response that you agree with. you've changed "what you meant" three times already. this thread is a joke.

I think that this thread is starting to become a joke to. I think that Ravenstar doesnt quite know how to say what she wants to say and hasnt lived long enough to understand where all the rest of us are coming from.

LarryMullen's POPAngel · 09-08-2002, 10:46 PM

Get your head out of your ass and try thinking before you speak, RS.

This thread is a fucking joke if I ever saw one.

Danospano · 09-08-2002, 10:51 PM

I also wanted to say that I'm terribly sorry for all the type-os that appear in my posts. Sorry, sorry, sorry

The tragedy that occured last year wasn't a happy moment for anyone with a heart. Innocent people were killed. I would have rather seen the terrorist at least attempt to direct their actions toward the people who were responsible for their anger (No, I'm not hinting at anyone in particular). At least THEN, it would make sense, but killing innocent janitors, salesmen, and firefighters (who demand respect in any culture), was sad and brought many tears to my eye (I only have one eye do to a boating accident).

Let's just look at the big picture. This is drop in the bucket when we consider the crimes against humanity that have plague our nations and others since the beginning of time.

Didn't we have closure last year? If not, why NOT!?!?!

This is a great discussion.

Elvis and mods: thanks for leaving it open.

Lilly · 09-08-2002, 10:52 PM

this is touchy everyone, let's make sure that we aren't making personal shots and that we be sure to read posts carefully before we respond.

thank you,

lilly

V Nura · 09-08-2002, 11:02 PM

I'm going to direct my attn to more productive matters....I suggest otehrs do the same....I'd liek to see this thread sink like a rock

foray · 09-08-2002, 11:49 PM

Ravenstar, this is what you did wrong:

Quote:

I know people died and building collapsed and stuff

and this is what Elvis has been trying to tell you:

Quote:

If you meant to say 'all the merchandise is overrated' ... you should have said that. Your post does not read that way - at all.

You have a right to voice an opinion. You have a right to loathe using tact when stating a point. But know this: when approaching an extremely sensitive topic, you should give a thought on how it will come across. In such cases, semantics and the choice of your words are of utmost importance. Do try to learn this lesson. You could lose your friends, career, dignity or respect if you don't.

That said, we're not saying that 9/11 is more of a tragedy than what happens on the streets. What makes 9/11 stand out, if it's not obvious enough already, is that hundreds of people died ALL AT ONCE. No, think about it. If one friend of yours died, you'd naturally be sad and very upset. But if, say, five of your friends died all at once in a freak incident, then it'd be more upsetting. It's the freak-ish part about it that makes 9/11 stand out.

Do you understand, Ravenstar?

foray

pinkfloyd · 09-09-2002, 12:04 AM

it's a tragedy for american people , ALL of them , 3000 of innocent lives , terrible terrorist attack . there should be a memorial , shoud be a minute of silence every year ( maybe ) , but people must forget it in some way , to let it go , leave it behind ( except for military inteligence and some other folks ) , our children must live and be happy and they must not to question themselves everyday ( like today ) who is ben Laden ??? for example , little children in kindrgarden or school talking stuff like " Let's kill terrorists , sadam hussein is bad etc etc etc " it's not right . it's sick . and it must be healed .

Love and hope for Peace !

pax · 09-09-2002, 12:16 AM

Thank you, foray. I hope RavenStar takes the time to read your post.

Thank you as well to the many people who have replied to this thread. This has become in a matter of hours one of the best threads I've seen in FYM in a while--and I mean that.

Danospano · 09-09-2002, 12:40 AM

Pax, it sounds like you're taking sides. Is that part of a mod's job?

I just ask because it sounds like your claiming that this thread is somewhat better than others, mostly due to the fact that it's supporting the most popular opinion of the people who responded.

Threads that have little or no conflicting debate are in my opinion boring and in need of overhaul

. That's just my opinion.

But seriously, is a mod supposed to take sides on moral, ethical, and political issues? It just seems like that sort of thing would come back to haunt you, if you happened to ban someone that held a drastically different opinion.

Cheers, Dan

09-08-2002, 10:14 PM	#61
sharky New Yorker Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,637 Local Time: 12:53 PM	Ok, its my turn to state my opinion and make you all pissed off at me. In terms of merchandising and media coverage, its way out of control. TV stations are doing this to get ratings and give Americans what they want to see. But I admit I am offended that those of you who call yourselves Americans try to attach yourselves to the tragedy the way you are in this discussion. Yes this was an attack on America but it was also an attack on New York. All these so-called Americans who thought NYC was smelly and dirty and filled with rude people before Sept. 11 turned around and said everyone was a New Yorker and they loved this city. And yet when the chips were down, they sent us a check, turned off the TV and became isolationist and closed minded instead of trying to understand why people hate us. I feel some of you are doing that in this thread-- the whole they attacked America-- and that lack of understanding is putting all of us in danger again. I'm really sorry you all had to watch this tragedy on TV but I was there in person. I was two blocks away from the south tower when it collapsed. I still know what those buildings tasted like, what that cloud of debris looked like, what it felt like to think I was going to die. And yet the last time I was down at Ground Zero [two weeks ago] there were a bunch of amusement park tourists smiling with a big gapping hole behind them as if the trade center was still a tourist attraction. I'm glad you all feel the pain of what happened that day but don't try and act like because you're an American you're a martyr. You got to watch it on TV and forget about it until the anniversary. I wish I could have done that. __________________

09-09-2002, 12:16 AM	#79
pax ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ewen's new American home Posts: 11,412 Local Time: 12:53 PM	Thank you, foray. I hope RavenStar takes the time to read your post. Thank you as well to the many people who have replied to this thread. This has become in a matter of hours one of the best threads I've seen in FYM in a while--and I mean that. __________________ and you hunger for the time time to heal, desire, time Join Amnesty.

09-09-2002, 12:40 AM	#80
Danospano Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,415 Local Time: 11:53 AM	Pax, it sounds like you're taking sides. Is that part of a mod's job? I just ask because it sounds like your claiming that this thread is somewhat better than others, mostly due to the fact that it's supporting the most popular opinion of the people who responded. Threads that have little or no conflicting debate are in my opinion boring and in need of overhaul . That's just my opinion. But seriously, is a mod supposed to take sides on moral, ethical, and political issues? It just seems like that sort of thing would come back to haunt you, if you happened to ban someone that held a drastically different opinion. Cheers, Dan __________________

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09-08-2002, 10:18 PM	#65
V Nura Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,760 Local Time: 05:53 PM	Not being kicked in teh head on a daily basis..is lucky....what's your point? tragedy is tragedy...life is life..no matter where you live. and I dont' think you understand that some of us knew people in those towers

09-08-2002, 10:25 PM	#68
V Nura Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,760 Local Time: 05:53 PM	OK..let's look at teh other side of YOUR argument if 3,000 africans died in a manner similar to sept 11th should I feel glad because tehy were liberated of a life of suffering???? certainly not....though what's happening in Africa is terrible it does not make sept 11th any less tragic and for you to assign degrees of value to human life based on the affluence and freedoms they are afforded is wrong.

09-08-2002, 10:35 PM	#71
Danospano Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,415 Local Time: 11:53 AM	I also believe that it's an issue of America wanted pity for their punishment. What do I mean by punishment? Well, I guess I'm refering to the rape, murder and betrayal of the U.S. government and everything it stands for. I also refer to the hundreds of millions of Native Americans who never got an annual remembrance for their ancestors deathes that occured year after year for over 500 years and counting. We should forget this is anything special and move on with our lives. We should start caring for the living. The dying in Africa, the ignorant in Asia, the souless in America. These are much more prudent in our current times. Amen....

09-08-2002, 10:46 PM	#73
LarryMullen's POPAngel Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'll be up with the sun, I'm not coming down... Posts: 53,698 Local Time: 11:53 AM	Get your head out of your ass and try thinking before you speak, RS. This thread is a fucking joke if I ever saw one.

09-08-2002, 10:51 PM	#74
Danospano Refugee Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,415 Local Time: 11:53 AM	I also wanted to say that I'm terribly sorry for all the type-os that appear in my posts. Sorry, sorry, sorry The tragedy that occured last year wasn't a happy moment for anyone with a heart. Innocent people were killed. I would have rather seen the terrorist at least attempt to direct their actions toward the people who were responsible for their anger (No, I'm not hinting at anyone in particular). At least THEN, it would make sense, but killing innocent janitors, salesmen, and firefighters (who demand respect in any culture), was sad and brought many tears to my eye (I only have one eye do to a boating accident). Let's just look at the big picture. This is drop in the bucket when we consider the crimes against humanity that have plague our nations and others since the beginning of time. Didn't we have closure last year? If not, why NOT!?!?! This is a great discussion. Elvis and mods: thanks for leaving it open.

09-08-2002, 10:52 PM	#75
Lilly Rock n' Roll Doggie FOB Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: back and to the left Posts: 8,523 Local Time: 10:53 AM	this is touchy everyone, let's make sure that we aren't making personal shots and that we be sure to read posts carefully before we respond. thank you, lilly

09-08-2002, 11:02 PM	#76
V Nura Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,760 Local Time: 05:53 PM	I'm going to direct my attn to more productive matters....I suggest otehrs do the same....I'd liek to see this thread sink like a rock

09-09-2002, 12:04 AM	#78
pinkfloyd Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: SILVER LINE Posts: 901 Local Time: 11:53 AM	it's a tragedy for american people , ALL of them , 3000 of innocent lives , terrible terrorist attack . there should be a memorial , shoud be a minute of silence every year ( maybe ) , but people must forget it in some way , to let it go , leave it behind ( except for military inteligence and some other folks ) , our children must live and be happy and they must not to question themselves everyday ( like today ) who is ben Laden ??? for example , little children in kindrgarden or school talking stuff like " Let's kill terrorists , sadam hussein is bad etc etc etc " it's not right . it's sick . and it must be healed . Love and hope for Peace !