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Old 09-08-2002, 09:02 PM   #21
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Re: 9/11: The most over-rated thing ever?

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I think America (not really the people of America) want the world to pity them so much.
What exactly do you mean by this bc what makes up America is the pple!
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I can easily put my family, friend, etc in those buildings. It is still no reason to take something as tragic as that and shove in people's faces.
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Elvis what you said was very well put, I totally agree with what you said!

I seriously think we should just close this thread!

I don't want it closed.

I think people need to understand why Ravenstar's "opinion" is a sick one. Who am I to judge that it's "sick" ? Apparently someone that appreciates life, understands the difference between good and bad, and knows people that were IN the buildings!

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I can easily put my family, friend, etc in those buildings. It is still no reason to take something as tragic as that and shove in people's faces.
Now you say 'as tragic as that' ???

Make up your mind. Seriously.

If you think its so tragic, why are you showing SO little respect for the loss of lives (ie. 'and stuff') ???

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I don't want it closed.

I think people need to understand why Ravenstar's "opinion" is a sick one. Who am I to judge that it's "sick" ? Apparently someone that appreciates life, understands the difference between good and bad, and knows people that were IN the buildings!

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How is my opinion sick? Because I consider all the people dying on the streets more of a tragety? Have you ever seen a person shot on the streets? I have. I knoe people were in those buildings. I didnt say it wasnt tragic. I just said it isnt the MOST tragic thing that has happened to America.
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I can easily put my family, friend, etc in those buildings. It is still no reason to take something as tragic as that and shove in people's faces.

Then by all means place yourself in the building and rid us of this sort of nonsense. If you are in fact so casual about putting your loved ones in the building, I dont' see why you should have any problem with this.
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How is my opinion sick? Because I consider all the people dying on the streets more of a tragety? Have you ever seen a person shot on the streets? I have. I knoe people were in those buildings. I didnt say it wasnt tragic. I just said it isnt the MOST tragic thing that has happened to America.
Ooops... you picked the WRONG person to ask that question to.

I was 16, working in a mall... in a toy store...
I watched a girl, 14, get shot in cold blood, in the back, fall to the marble floor, face first, and blood gush out of her. I saw an innocent girl die, for no reason other than some asshole had a gun, and was fucked up in the head - no different than terrorists being fucked up in the head. One incident, one murder or rape... yes, those are TERRRRRRRRIBLE, but for thousands of people to be murdered at once, thats even more terrible.

You dont think so?
Tell me you think that 12 million people killed in a matter of years, by the Nazis, was only as significant as one person killed on the street. Can you?

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and our opinions differ from yours, Get used to it, not everyone in life will have the same opinion as you do. Just be glad you can have a different opinion
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I think you are giving you and your fellow Satanists a bad rap,
when you take this postion of the loss of innocent human-life.

Innocent human life is significant to you, correct?

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I think you all are missing the point of this thread. My idea was not to bash 9/11 at all. I was bashing all the shit that went along with it. I dont see anything wrong with a few tv shows or newspaper articles. But to go and put 9/11 over EVERYTHING?? I see people walking around sporting their new t-shirt with the WTC on fire and acting like they are so cool to have a t-shirt with that on it. Instead of just looking at the negative of 9/11, look at the positive. Yes, there is a positive. Look how everyone came together to help. Look hoe thousands of Newfoundlanders, the poorest people in my country, made a place in their homes for the people whose planes had to land there. Look how the WORLD came together to help. I think everyone has learned a lesson from 9/11. A lesson on how many peope can make a very bad situation better.
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Raven-
I think you are giving you and your fellow Satanists a bad rap,
when you take this postion of the loss of innocent human-life.

Innocent human life is significant to you, correct?

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Re: 9/11: The most over-rated thing ever?

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Is it just me or is Sept.11 way over-rated? Now, I know people died and building collapsed and stuff but don't you think America has taken it too far? I just saw a commercial for a book about 9/11 called The Day the World Collapsed. I think America (not really the people of America) want the world to pity them so much. People call 9/11 the greatest tragedy to America in the last 100 years. That isnt the real tragety though. The real tragety is in the streets of America where people are being raped, kidnapped, killed, and more EVERY SINGLE DAY. So is the reason 9/11 is so important is because someone else other than America itself has caused the trouble?
Actually Ravenstar, here's what you said (above). If you meant to say 'all the merchandise is overrated' ... you should have said that. Your post does not read that way - at all.

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i couldn't imagine this happening to someone i know.

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I can easily put my family, friend, etc in those buildings. It is still no reason to take something as tragic as that and shove in people's faces.

i am so disturbed by this response. your own mother? your best of ALL best friends? what if you saw your best friend on the 80th floor waving a towel for help, knowing full well there was no hope? hmm? or if you saw them fall hundreds of feet to concrete? hmm? you could do that and still be ok?



and although other religions may ban together, i should hope you aren't about to judge them as you so hate to be judged.



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Re: i couldn't imagine this happening to someone i know.

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i am so disturbed by this response. your own mother? your best of ALL best friends? what if you saw your best friend on the 80th floor waving a towel for help, knowing full well there was no hope? hmm? or if you saw them fall hundreds of feet to concrete? hmm? you could do that and still be ok?
Lilly, she hasnt answered my 'difficult' questions yet... stand in line.

Maybe, she's just avoiding them... ya know?

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Just because I know someone in the buildings does not make it right for me to go shoving it in other peoples faces. I did know someone in those buildings.

BTW
Elvis, I get your point, I just dont agree with it. I hope you feel the same way.
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the one problem i *think* happens when someone mentions 9/11 as being overrated, or something else, is, well...let me try to word this so it makes sense...

imo, i think PARTS of the tragedy are, not overrated or anything, but disgusting. what happened is disgusting in a "i can't believe these people were sick enough to do this" but what happened afterwards is a different kind of disgusting.

believe me, i think what happened was horrible. 1000s of people have died, the city of new york was and still is in turmoil, and people all over the world are still shaken by this and even worse, have lost their loved ones.

unfortunately, there's the other kind of disgusting. the sick fucks who take this event and glamorize it. not the supporters in afghanistan, i'm not talking politically, but economically. so many hicks with a computer have created bumper sticks, shirts, etc. and made it seem as trivial as a hallmark holiday. THAT is what disgusts me and makes me not look forward to the day marking the one year anniversary.

everywhere i turn, i see osama bin laden's picture printed on a target practice sheet or dartboard, some cheesy shirt that cost 50 cents to make that's being sold for $30 with an american flag on it, etc. it's the crass commercialism of 9/11 that makes me mad. so many holidays, happy events, have been made into a mere day where many don't even know why the day is special. but 9/11 is different. it's not a happy day. it doesn't mark the day a religious figure was born, pilgrims landed ashore america, or the dawn of a new year. it marks the day thousands of people died because of some sick fucks.
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Lilly, she hasnt answered my 'difficult' questions yet... stand in line.

Maybe, she's just avoiding them... ya know?

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the one problem i *think* happens when someone mentions 9/11 as being overrated, or something else, is, well...let me try to word this so it makes sense...

imo, i think PARTS of the tragedy are, not overrated or anything, but disgusting. what happened is disgusting in a "i can't believe these people were sick enough to do this" but what happened afterwards is a different kind of disgusting.

believe me, i think what happened was horrible. 1000s of people have died, the city of new york was and still is in turmoil, and people all over the world are still shaken by this and even worse, have lost their loved ones.

unfortunately, there's the other kind of disgusting. the sick fucks who take this event and glamorize it. not the supporters in afghanistan, i'm not talking politically, but economically. so many hicks with a computer have created bumper sticks, shirts, etc. and made it seem as trivial as a hallmark holiday. THAT is what disgusts me and makes me not look forward to the day marking the one year anniversary.

everywhere i turn, i see osama bin laden's picture printed on a target practice sheet or dartboard, some cheesy shirt that cost 50 cents to make that's being sold for $30 with an american flag on it, etc. it's the crass commercialism of 9/11 that makes me mad. so many holidays, happy events, have been made into a mere day where many don't even know why the day is special. but 9/11 is different. it's not a happy day. it doesn't mark the day a religious figure was born, pilgrims landed ashore america, or the dawn of a new year. it marks the day thousands of people died because of some sick fucks.
THIS is what I have been trying to say all along. Thank you KhanadaRhodes for helping me get my idea across to these people.
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the one problem i *think* happens when someone mentions 9/11 as being overrated, or something else, is, well...let me try to word this so it makes sense...

imo, i think PARTS of the tragedy are, not overrated or anything, but disgusting. what happened is disgusting in a "i can't believe these people were sick enough to do this" but what happened afterwards is a different kind of disgusting.

believe me, i think what happened was horrible. 1000s of people have died, the city of new york was and still is in turmoil, and people all over the world are still shaken by this and even worse, have lost their loved ones.

unfortunately, there's the other kind of disgusting. the sick fucks who take this event and glamorize it. not the supporters in afghanistan, i'm not talking politically, but economically. so many hicks with a computer have created bumper sticks, shirts, etc. and made it seem as trivial as a hallmark holiday. THAT is what disgusts me and makes me not look forward to the day marking the one year anniversary.

everywhere i turn, i see osama bin laden's picture printed on a target practice sheet or dartboard, some cheesy shirt that cost 50 cents to make that's being sold for $30 with an american flag on it, etc. it's the crass commercialism of 9/11 that makes me mad. so many holidays, happy events, have been made into a mere day where many don't even know why the day is special. but 9/11 is different. it's not a happy day. it doesn't mark the day a religious figure was born, pilgrims landed ashore america, or the dawn of a new year. it marks the day thousands of people died because of some sick fucks.
I agree with this... but I disagree with how Ravenstar trivialized the loss of life, and the event. To me.. that in itself is disgusting.

By the way... I'm really wondering what a "satanist" sees in U2 ... not exactly the book of the devil, thats for sure. lol.
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THIS is what I have been trying to say all along. Thank you KhanadaRhodes for helping me get my idea across to these people.
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Once again, my remarks go ignored. Please refer to my previous post inwhich I quoted your ORIGINAL post.
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