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Old 09-21-2016, 04:06 PM   #241
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come on, dude. you're a smart guy. i don't understand why you're acting this way.

i'm super disappointed right now.
I hope you stay, the forum is as good as its posters and you're a good one.

I get as annoyed with BMP's schtick in FYM as anyone, but to be honest, I'm not sure I agree he should be thrown out or banned or whatever. I like to think we're a tolerant place open to all viewpoints. He clearly hates Hillary. He is often troll-baiting, yes, but I believe his basic viewpoint is genuine. I would be hesitant to silence an opposing viewpoint like that. What's next, we kick Oregoropa out because he's a conservative? We kick Deep out?

I'd just be very careful about going down that road. I understand your frustration, but I'm not sure I can get behind the solution you're proposing.
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Old 09-21-2016, 04:14 PM   #242
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It's not like BMP has been throwing around racial epithets or anything like that. Someone like Indy500 or whatever was openly advocating for discrimination against LGBT folks etc - BMP has not done anything of the sort. Having an unpopular opinion is not inherently trolling.
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I don't think he's ever trolling. He's just "that guy." The one who supports far left progressives. The rest of us wouldn't understand.
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It's not like BMP has been throwing around racial epithets or anything like that. Someone like Indy500 or whatever was openly advocating for discrimination against LGBT folks etc - BMP has not done anything of the sort. Having an unpopular opinion is not inherently trolling.
I suppose you haven't been over to the racism thread in a while...
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Yeah calling people pro-rape isn't trolling

He's not even far left.


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Not far left, far left progressive.

You wouldn't understand.
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I suppose you haven't been over to the racism thread in a while...
But he's nice enough not to use epithets.

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I suppose you haven't been over to the racism thread in a while...
Has he been throwing around the N word, or suggesting black people should be reduced to second class citizens or something?

Or is the suggestion here that he should be banned simply because his views on race aren't as nuanced as a lot of you like to think yours are?

Like Diemen said, the ignore function is easy to use. If you elect to keep engaging him over and over again on these issues, it's tough to see it as anything other than you getting a sense of superiority from shitting all over him ad fucking nauseam, which frankly is as tiring as his constant posting about Bernie.
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He's suggested that black people are inherently more violent, a handful of times. He tends to reject an socioeconomic-influenced theory as to why black people end up having a disproportionate amount of violence amongst one another. He tends not to back up these views with facts but instead cites his personal experience of watching black people during his public transit rides.
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I don't think he should be banned, that's not fair. But boy, he should be mocked and/or ridiculed 😊
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Has he been throwing around the N word, or suggesting black people should be reduced to second class citizens or something?

Or is the suggestion here that he should be banned simply because his views on race aren't as nuanced as a lot of you like to think yours are?
right, cause it can't be racist if you aren't calling people niggers and advocating for the return of jim crow laws. he just has a "nuanced" view on black people race.

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I hope you stay, the forum is as good as its posters and you're a good one.

I get as annoyed with BMP's schtick in FYM as anyone, but to be honest, I'm not sure I agree he should be thrown out or banned or whatever. I like to think we're a tolerant place open to all viewpoints. He clearly hates Hillary. He is often troll-baiting, yes, but I believe his basic viewpoint is genuine. I would be hesitant to silence an opposing viewpoint like that. What's next, we kick Oregoropa out because he's a conservative? We kick Deep out?

I'd just be very careful about going down that road. I understand your frustration, but I'm not sure I can get behind the solution you're proposing.
there is an enormous difference between banning someone for being a troll, and banning someone for having an opposing viewpoint. i never came anywhere close to suggesting we should get rid of anyone for their political opinions. i don't care who anyone supports or doesn't support, everyone has the right to that kind of opinion for sure. this is about way more than just the bernie posts at this point.

but there is not, nor should there be, any place here for the kind of casually tossed-off racism and sexism that seems to be a constant from one user in particular. there are literally a million other forums online you can go to where people will be happy to read that kind of thing, and have a "discussion" with that kind of tone and context - this ain't it.
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right, cause it can't be racist if you aren't calling people niggers and advocating for the return of jim crow laws. he just has a "nuanced" view on black people race.
Which is not remotely what I suggested. There's racist insinuations that can be called out, disparaged, whatever, and then there are blithely, conspicuously racist comments that should get swifter action. By conflating the two you're putting Diemen or any other mod in an impossible situation.
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i don't really see how "don't be racist" puts any mod in an impossible situation, but okay.
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mocked and/or ridiculed 😊
If the smugness in the forum goes away I'm going to stop reading too
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See, if you ban BMP we will lose Bluer White.

Fight smugness with smugness 🙃
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I'd like to say imho that BMP hasn't said things that should make *him* a thread topic.
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We're really raising the bar on what's excepted behavior in here.

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exactly. maybe it's idealistic or naive but i'd like to think we have a bit of a higher standard here than the average internet cesspool.
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread XIII

The problem is that there are certain topics that are instant derails every time, and continually bringing them up is intentionally disruptive and antagonistic.

While it might not technically be trolling to repeatedly voice a sincere opinion, it's not a healthy or productive way to engage with the forum when everyone is already well aware of your opinion, and that opinion is irrelevant to the current discussion.
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I don't think he should be banned, that's not fair. But boy, he should be mocked and/or ridiculed 😊


This is really the difference. He wants attention, which is different from actually trolling. If people want to bass their views on race based on their subjective experiences in a city that doesn't have many black people to begin with and on that time they were "mugged," by all means, I'd love for them to keep posting because of the opportunities it presents for discussion.

It is a bit akin to STING and the days of Resolution 1441, but while that's annoying, it doesn't seem to me that we'd want an annoyance-free forum. It's kind of a self-selecting forum these days, but 10-years ago if you ventured into other areas you'd see how articulate and generally courteous FYM posters were in comparison.

I wasn't around, but years ago I was directed by Melon to kind of shockingly homophobic comments that were reasonably commonplace in here during the ATYCLB-era. I'd like to think that exposure and discrediting of such opinions accomplishes much.
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