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Old 09-20-2016, 10:28 AM   #201
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Why is that? It's sad that it takes people from other countries to actually let us know what the idea of America is.
I just get the impression that there's a little glint of American exceptionalism in his eyes when he talks about it. The idea of America as a specific, special 'other', in a sense.
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Yeah, he falls in love with certain turns of phrase he stumbles upon and that's one of the more eyeroll-worthy. When people talk about him having his head up his ass, it's shit like that they're referring to.

But I watched the clip and he was actually pretty thoughtful, more than I thought he would be. He noted that the Trump supporters have real legitimate concerns and correctly have identified that neither party has gotten close to easing those concerns, it's just that Trump himself is the issue because everything he does flies in the face of social justice.

With how concerned Bono has been about the refugee crisis, I guess it should be unsurprising that he feels this way, but it's sort of shocking to see him actually take a side in an American election since he's always been so center-bound by his mission for HIV legislation. It is a reminder that things were, in fact, better with Bush than they would be with Trump. Not to gloss over the atrocities that happened on Bush's watch, but there were things he did that were not terrible (like the HIV stuff, like finally growing a spine and pushing back against Cheney's most aggressive foreign policy views in his second term, etc.).

I'm rambling, but yeah, I think Bono actually gets closer to the truth at the heart of this here than many journalists have over the last year.
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News flash, Trump's son is an asshole, compares refugees to candy.
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It was the same 'Meme that was going around FoxNews for a while.

I think Huckabee was saying it

It's just logically, and morally wrong on some many levels.
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On the one hand, refugees are human fucking beings.

On the other hand, Skittles are fucking delicious.
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Guess there's only one way to know for sure.

Eat the refugees
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But I'm already full from eating the rich!
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News flash, Trump's son is an asshole, compares refugees to candy.
yes,
everybody wants candy
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On the one hand, refugees are human fucking beings.

On the other hand, Skittles are fucking delicious.
Yes to all of this .

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It is a reminder that things were, in fact, better with Bush than they would be with Trump. Not to gloss over the atrocities that happened on Bush's watch, but there were things he did that were not terrible (like the HIV stuff, like finally growing a spine and pushing back against Cheney's most aggressive foreign policy views in his second term, etc.).
It is funny how much better some Republican politicians look in light of the batshit insanity that is Trump, isn't it?

The mention of Dubya reminds me that I saw this bit online earlier today regarding his father:

George H.W. Bush for Hillary? A spokesman isn't saying - CNNPolitics.com

Kinda interesting if true.
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread XIII

It really allows you to put both Bush presidents into perspective. As the primaries did with Jeb! I mean, calling Trump objectively worse than Dubya isn't to say I'd rather have Dubya... but if it were 2000, I would. Dubya didn't really royally fuck up until Iraq. So there's a little bit of hindsight there, but there's no telling what Trump is capable of in terms of disasters.
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Interesting article about Clinton's lack of support among young blacks.

Unlike Their Parents, Black Millennials Aren’t A Lock For Clinton | FiveThirtyEight


What's most interesting is that non-whites below the age of 30 actually supported Sanders to a much wider degree than whites. It's information that probably got lost in the shuffle.

For me then and now, age was clearly the most prominent divide during that primary.
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blah blah blah Sanders blah blah blah
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CNN: Breaking News: Bernie Sanders Not The Democratic Nominee
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shut the fuck up about bernie fucking sanders already for fucks sakes
Just hard not to think about what could have been now that the Democratic base has buyer's remorse.
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Just hard not to think about what could have been now that the Democratic base has buyer's remorse.
Who said the Democratic base has buyer's remorse?
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Good point. The 45% that didn't vote for Clinton didn't vote for her...so I guess the buyer's remorse comes from the olds that thought she was their best hope against Trump. But they'll be the only ones to blame if she loses.
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