2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VIII - Page 32

PhilsFan · 05-10-2016, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

And stupid phrases like "white privilege" also fan the rhetoric on that side, too.

Hmm.

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 05-10-2016, 08:05 AM

Hmm what?

You're speaking to a constituent who do not understand the socioeconomic complexities of this country in regards to race relations.

Consistently telling these middle class and lower middle class whites, who in their own minds are struggling themselves and/or worked their asses off to pull themselves up to a better situation, that they are privileged only creates a larger divide.

Are they, in comparison to low income minorities? Of course they are.

Is saying how privileged the angry white voter from middle America is going to do anything to make them see the real picture? Fuck no.

The language instantly creates a divide that, while real, the average person doesn't understand.

Focus more on educating people about the plight of the poor, the never ending cycle of poverty in these neighborhoods and the statistics regarding things like false arrests and police harassment.

Oregoropa · 05-10-2016, 10:41 AM

There are millions of white lower-middle class voters who couldn't cover a simple car repair with cash on hand. They don't want to hear about how they are privileged

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Irvine511 · 05-10-2016, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

There are millions of white lower-middle class voters who couldn't cover a simple car repair with cash on hand. They don't want to hear about how they are privileged

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It's a different thing, though. It's not exclusively about money. Beyoncé has to deal with shit that a white person doesn't due to white privilege.

That said, a black kid at Yale isn't going to get too much sympathy from a single white mother struggling with opioid addiction and living off food stamps.

I agree that in the context of the general election, white privilege means nothing outside of the dem base. It won't be much useful.

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 05-10-2016, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

I agree that in the context of the general election, white privilege means nothing outside of the dem base. It won't be much useful.

Exactly

PhilsFan · 05-10-2016, 01:37 PM

I agree that it's not good for politicking in the general election, I just objected to it being characterized as a "stupid phrase." For this particular purpose, yes. In general, no.

deep · 05-10-2016, 03:17 PM

We have a nice little community here where certain ideas and beliefs are more accepted. Labels for some ok, others not ok.

but in the real world

Quote:

The Quinnipiac University surveys, released on Tuesday, show Mrs. Clinton leading Mr. Trump by one percentage point in Pennsylvania and Florida and trailing him by four points in Ohio. The polls have margins of error of plus or minus three percentage points.

“At this juncture, Trump is doing better in Pennsylvania than the G.O.P. nominees in 2008 and 2012,” said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac Poll. “And the two candidates are about where their party predecessors were at this point in Ohio and Florida.”

PhilsFan · 05-10-2016, 03:21 PM

But he's Dangerous Donald!

deep · 05-10-2016, 03:30 PM

Throw the dice with dangerous Donald or double down on crooked Hillary
she's crook-ed!!

BEAL · 05-10-2016, 03:59 PM

Let's wait and see when we're done with the primaries. I wonder if Dangerous Donald will opt out of the debates?

He did "well" when there were 15 other people on stage and it was a shouting match. When he struggled, it was when he was pressed for specifics.

Him debating Hillary 1:1 is going to be a real struggle for him. Embarrassing one might say, but then Sarah Palin debated Joe Biden once....and all people could talk about was her winking into the camera.

deep · 05-10-2016, 04:07 PM

Expectations
make losers winners
(see W)

Irvine511 · 05-10-2016, 04:29 PM

Nate Silver rips Trump-Clinton polls in 8-part Twitter rant - POLITICO

BEAL · 05-10-2016, 04:39 PM

It's just too early, but media focus is on right now....and then now....and then now.

Trump is an idiot. He's made his money, but do you REALLY feel comfortable with him handling extremely classified information?

I get he's an outsider, but what scares me the most is his lack of knowledge in any form of governance. He can say the most racist, sexist shit ever....that's all it is.

My fear is him near any sort of button to launch war/bombs

Bluer White · 05-10-2016, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAL

He's made his money, but do you REALLY feel comfortable with him handling extremely classified information?

We're free to question that of Trump.

But Mrs. Clinton really doesn't have a leg to stand on there.

deep · 05-10-2016, 04:59 PM

Nate Silver 2016 is an idiot
been off or wrong all season.

BVS · 05-10-2016, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluer White

We're free to question that of Trump.

But Mrs. Clinton really doesn't have a leg to stand on there.

Because she did what every SOS has done since the use of email?

Chase the white rabbit, chase it, chase it... Oh, you almost got it, you're gonna have to be quicker than that.

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deep · 05-10-2016, 05:01 PM

Hillary is a known quantity
crook-ed, everybody knows it, they only argue the degree

Moonlit_Angel · 05-10-2016, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BEAL

I get he's an outsider, but what scares me the most is his lack of knowledge in any form of governance. He can say the most racist, sexist shit ever....that's all it is.

Same. And the type of voter base he's stirred up has me deeply concerned, too. Even if people think his whole thing is an act, even if they're certain he won't follow through with most of what he says he will...he's riled up a portion of the country who genuinely thinks the things he says and suggests are GOOD ideas, and things that should happen in this country. And that frightens me deeply.

BEAL · 05-10-2016, 05:21 PM

It is an act, and possibly a joke that has gone too far. But Trump's ego is gonna take this the whole way.

He has no law experience, no governing experience. He's a businessman, and it could be argued if he's a good/bad one. He definitely had a head-start with his family name.

He would be an absolute disaster.

And honestly any attacks on Hillary as "crooked", or her email scandal is just tiring. I fully admit I don't find her a likable person. Perception is that she seems very hawkish, a GOP light. I have no issue attacking her policies. But I lose all interest when the conversation turns to "THE MOST CROOKED POLITICIAN OF THEM ALL!!!", "MOST DISHONEST OF ALL TIME!!!", etc

I actually feel for her a bit, considering she (and Bill) have been attacked by the Right for nearly 30 years straight (and now the attacks seem to come from the Left). Yet all these scandals, all these problems brought up by the GOP have amounted to nothing. Either they have the greatest lawyers in the history of law, or there was never real evidence against them.

You see these other scandals against candidates (both Right and Left) end their careers, or they drop out of the spotlight for a while. Never happened with Clinton. Still going strong. That's one heck of a power she's got, or it's just complete bullshit.

Let's see what else the Right tries to throw at her after June.

BVS · 05-10-2016, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deep

Hillary is a known quantity
crook-ed, everybody knows it, they only argue the degree

So is Trump?! Have you not been paying attention?

He's a lying, loose cannon, who's crooked as fuck.

How can anyone pretend he's not a known quantity? Has he taken you all down the same wormhole?

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05-10-2016, 08:05 AM	#622
Headache in a Suitcase Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 74,705 Local Time: 09:17 PM	Hmm what? You're speaking to a constituent who do not understand the socioeconomic complexities of this country in regards to race relations. Consistently telling these middle class and lower middle class whites, who in their own minds are struggling themselves and/or worked their asses off to pull themselves up to a better situation, that they are privileged only creates a larger divide. Are they, in comparison to low income minorities? Of course they are. Is saying how privileged the angry white voter from middle America is going to do anything to make them see the real picture? Fuck no. The language instantly creates a divide that, while real, the average person doesn't understand. Focus more on educating people about the plight of the poor, the never ending cycle of poverty in these neighborhoods and the statistics regarding things like false arrests and police harassment. __________________

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05-10-2016, 10:41 AM	#623
Oregoropa Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Polish-American Stronghold PA Posts: 4,144 Local Time: 08:17 PM	There are millions of white lower-middle class voters who couldn't cover a simple car repair with cash on hand. They don't want to hear about how they are privileged Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference

05-10-2016, 01:37 PM	#626
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 09:17 PM	I agree that it's not good for politicking in the general election, I just objected to it being characterized as a "stupid phrase." For this particular purpose, yes. In general, no.

05-10-2016, 03:21 PM	#628
PhilsFan Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 19,218 Local Time: 09:17 PM	But he's Dangerous Donald!

05-10-2016, 03:30 PM	#629
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 05:17 PM	Throw the dice with dangerous Donald or double down on crooked Hillary she's crook-ed!!

05-10-2016, 03:59 PM	#630
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,276 Local Time: 01:17 AM	Let's wait and see when we're done with the primaries. I wonder if Dangerous Donald will opt out of the debates? He did "well" when there were 15 other people on stage and it was a shouting match. When he struggled, it was when he was pressed for specifics. Him debating Hillary 1:1 is going to be a real struggle for him. Embarrassing one might say, but then Sarah Palin debated Joe Biden once....and all people could talk about was her winking into the camera.

05-10-2016, 04:07 PM	#631
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 05:17 PM	Expectations make losers winners (see W)

05-10-2016, 04:29 PM	#632
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the West Coast Posts: 34,382 Local Time: 09:17 PM	Nate Silver rips Trump-Clinton polls in 8-part Twitter rant - POLITICO

05-10-2016, 04:39 PM	#633
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,276 Local Time: 01:17 AM	It's just too early, but media focus is on right now....and then now....and then now. Trump is an idiot. He's made his money, but do you REALLY feel comfortable with him handling extremely classified information? I get he's an outsider, but what scares me the most is his lack of knowledge in any form of governance. He can say the most racist, sexist shit ever....that's all it is. My fear is him near any sort of button to launch war/bombs

05-10-2016, 04:59 PM	#635
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 05:17 PM	Nate Silver 2016 is an idiot been off or wrong all season.

05-10-2016, 05:01 PM	#637
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 05:17 PM	Hillary is a known quantity crook-ed, everybody knows it, they only argue the degree

05-10-2016, 05:21 PM	#639
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,276 Local Time: 01:17 AM	It is an act, and possibly a joke that has gone too far. But Trump's ego is gonna take this the whole way. He has no law experience, no governing experience. He's a businessman, and it could be argued if he's a good/bad one. He definitely had a head-start with his family name. He would be an absolute disaster. And honestly any attacks on Hillary as "crooked", or her email scandal is just tiring. I fully admit I don't find her a likable person. Perception is that she seems very hawkish, a GOP light. I have no issue attacking her policies. But I lose all interest when the conversation turns to "THE MOST CROOKED POLITICIAN OF THEM ALL!!!", "MOST DISHONEST OF ALL TIME!!!", etc I actually feel for her a bit, considering she (and Bill) have been attacked by the Right for nearly 30 years straight (and now the attacks seem to come from the Left). Yet all these scandals, all these problems brought up by the GOP have amounted to nothing. Either they have the greatest lawyers in the history of law, or there was never real evidence against them. You see these other scandals against candidates (both Right and Left) end their careers, or they drop out of the spotlight for a while. Never happened with Clinton. Still going strong. That's one heck of a power she's got, or it's just complete bullshit. Let's see what else the Right tries to throw at her after June.