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Old 05-07-2016, 10:07 PM   #601
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Gary Cohen's call of Big Sexy's first career homerun is just pure joy
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I'll be voting for Mrs. Clinton, or a third candidate. Probably an equivalent position in this election.

But the more I see the *destructive* protests against Trump, or to a lesser extent, the many folks out there like 'nbelcik'......

Well, it could make someone reconsider.
Wait, you'd consider voting for somebody you dislike more than the other options, just because of how some other electors who also dislike that person choose to express their opposition?

That's even sillier than those people who won't listen to certain bands just because they don't like the stereotypical fanbase.
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i don't listen to u2 because their fans annoy the shit out of me.
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i don't listen to u2 because their fans annoy the shit out of me.
They are the worst.
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VIII

Especially when they use the band members' real names for their usernames. I can think of at least two.
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Especially when they use the band members' real names for their usernames. I can think of at least two.
Yeah those guys just flat out suck.
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Back on topic though...
Trump isn't just a person, he's an idea.
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What are the chances Crooked Hillary selects Goofy Liz as her running mate?
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Goofy Liz would be unnecessarily ballsy from a tactical perspective, unless she can't strike an agreement with the Sanders camp to have his support/endorsement.
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I think Warren would be a very smart move, given how mobilized Bernie's base has become. Warren is much more in line with Bernie's way of thinking than Hillary's, and while Bernie fans might bristle at him being Hilary's subordinate, choosing Warren would be a good sign that Hillary acknowledges the importance of his message.

Though an all-female ticket would be a cool follow up to the first non-white President. I just don't think that 1)Hillary would choose her or 2)Warren would accept.
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If I were Hillary I would choose Tim Kaine from Virginia from an electoral strategy standpoint. Virginia has become the most interesting swing state in the country.

- Beltway worker transplants in NOVA

- Military vote in the Tidewater

- Large African-American population with growing Hispanic demographic

- Heavy Republican population outside college towns, DC burbs


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Tim Kaine has an excellent chance but I personally find him brutally unappealing. Dull conservative Democrat without major ideas. That'll sure energize the ticket.
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I think Warren would be a very smart move, given how mobilized Bernie's base has become. Warren is much more in line with Bernie's way of thinking than Hillary's, and while Bernie fans might bristle at him being Hilary's subordinate, choosing Warren would be a good sign that Hillary acknowledges the importance of his message.

Though an all-female ticket would be a cool follow up to the first non-white President. I just don't think that 1)Hillary would choose her or 2)Warren would accept.

But won't getting Sanders' endorsement have similar effects? Honestly, I see Warren as her plan B to Sanders. Sanders supporters are more likely to call her a sellout. Clinton sort of needs Bernie's support.

I honestly think her best choice is Bernie himself.
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Based on the messages the campaign has been putting out since Trump clinched, like the brutal Republicans-on-Trump ads, it seems HRC is working on appealing to the Romney wing of the party. With the Dem campaign still ongoing, she can't yet pivot, so they're going to work on making Trump unacceptable to the middle. Then, once Sanders is finally out, she'll offer something to centrist conservatives. That may be in the form of a moderate VP. So if they do show up at the polls, she will be acceptable.
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I don't see Sanders or Warren as being realistic choices.

I can't stand Tim Kaine, think he's a poor choice. I am also a believer in looking at things more long-term and having him as a presidential candidate in 8 years would be a sure loss if you ask me. You don't have to go way out there on a limb to get somebody better than him.
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Sanders is actually the best choice from an actual "being a VP" perspectiv"...and also perhaps when it comes to voting thanks to his energized base. I mean, what could be better than Clinton making a pitch for (insert bill here) and then having Sanders help mobilize his friggin' army?

The real problem isn't any fear that his "socialism" will be a disadvantage, especially when your opponent is as weak Donald Trump. No, it's the fact that he's just not on the same page with Clinton's viewpoints on so many issues that they likely wouldn't gel. Same reason why a Warren pick wouldn't happen.
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Sanders lost fairly resoudningly in Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania... so Sanders would actually be a terrible choice for VP.
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The best way to stifle an overbearing attention seeker is to ignore them.

The more violent protests there are outside Trump rallys, the stronger he gets. The more politicians and pundits talk about how dumb his campaign is, which it is, the stronger he gets.

Suck out the oxygen and the fire goes out.

I think it's incredibly privileged to just ignore dangerous rhetoric when it's directed against certain groups. Letting rhetoric like Trump's go unchallenged is just letting him stir up more hate against Latinxs, Jews, women, etc. If the target of his hatred was my racial/ethnic/religious group (which as a white male is never going to happen) I'd sure as hell want members of other groups to help me protest against the hate.

Ignoring hate doesn't make it go away. Challenging it doesn't always make it go away but it's better than doing nothing. Doing nothing is just apathy.



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I think it's incredibly privileged to just ignore dangerous rhetoric when it's directed against certain groups. Letting rhetoric like Trump's go unchallenged is just letting him stir up more hate against Latinxs, Jews, women, etc. If the target of his hatred was my racial/ethnic/religious group (which as a white male is never going to happen) I'd sure as hell want members of other groups to help me protest against the hate.

Ignoring hate doesn't make it go away. Challenging it doesn't always make it go away but it's better than doing nothing. Doing nothing is just apathy.



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Yes, but "Fuck Trump" isn't exactly challenging his rhetoric. You just fan the fire; Breitbart/Fox takes video posts it with a headline 'The Violent and Vulgar Left' and guess what? They win.


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I think it's incredibly privileged to just ignore dangerous rhetoric when it's directed against certain groups. Letting rhetoric like Trump's go unchallenged is just letting him stir up more hate against Latinxs, Jews, women, etc. If the target of his hatred was my racial/ethnic/religious group (which as a white male is never going to happen) I'd sure as hell want members of other groups to help me protest against the hate.

Ignoring hate doesn't make it go away. Challenging it doesn't always make it go away but it's better than doing nothing. Doing nothing is just apathy.



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And stupid phrases like "white privilege" also fan the rhetoric on that side, too.

I'm not saying let it go. But attack him on his policy stances, or lack there of. And yes, call out the racist, xenophobic language that spews out of his blowhole.

But he has no power right now. He's just a glorified pundit. Stop paying him attention, go focus your energy on supporting the other candidate and rallying the vote against him, and the mean man will go away.
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