2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VIII

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by mikal

How? What states do you actually see him turning from red to blue?

I think he has a real chance, if elected. Because Trump himself can turn red to blue and make stupid people forget all the shit he's said. Look at the way he approached the gender-bathroom thing in NC. He scares me with his ability to make people side with him, regardless of what he says.

Though, he's trending down so that would have to change.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by BEAL

You never know with the youth vote.

I was in that group when I started following the forum...

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by BVS

Trump support is dying fast, especially in the independents. No way does he have the ability to get those numbers.


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I beg to differ on the numbers. Trump is closing the gap in the RCP average on a head to head matchup with HRC. It's still not optimal for Trump with at Clinton +8.5 but last month it was double digits. A recent GWU/Battleground poll has Clinton +3 with 11% undecided. Within the margin of error.

I will also make a bold prediction that Trump will be the best performing Republican with African-Americans should he end up the top of the ticket. He has universal name recognition. Not tough to break Romney's 7% performance. McCain did poorly as well if I recall.

One more takeaway are the unfavorable ratings in the GWU poll.

- Trump 65%
- Clinton 56%
- Cruz 55%

It's going to be a nasty fight regardless with some people staying home or holding their noses to vote. If I were on the Democrat side I wouldn't necessarily be giddy to face Trump. He has defied the odds and is a Kingslayer taking down the anointed GOP figureheads of Jeb! And Rubio(with an assist from Christie).

The 4 way split fascinates me. You can call me crazy, that's fine, or I prefer the "Red Team" bringing a different set of eyes to a possible outcome. Haven't chimed in as much recently. Just watching you guys debate in here. I'm not gonna come in throwing bombs and calling names. The statistics, ups, downs, of this election cycle are truly reality tv, but potentially historic. And there is something we can all agree on ...

Fuck Ted Cruz


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

I beg to differ on the numbers. Trump is closing the gap in the RCP average on a head to head matchup with HRC. It's still not optimal for Trump with at Clinton +8.5 but last month it was double digits. A recent GWU/Battleground poll has Clinton +3 with 11% undecided. Within the margin of error.

I will also make a bold prediction that Trump will be the best performing Republican with African-Americans should he end up the top of the ticket. He has universal name recognition. Not tough to break Romney's 7% performance. McCain did poorly as well if I recall.

One more takeaway are the unfavorable ratings in the GWU poll.

- Trump 65%
- Clinton 56%
- Cruz 55%

It's going to be a nasty fight regardless with some people staying home or holding their noses to vote. If I were on the Democrat side I wouldn't necessarily be giddy to face Trump. He has defied the odds and is a Kingslayer taking down the anointed GOP figureheads of Jeb! And Rubio(with an assist from Christie).

The 4 way split fascinates me. You can call me crazy, that's fine, or I prefer the "Red Team" bringing a different set of eyes to a possible outcome. Haven't chimed in as much recently. Just watching you guys debate in here. I'm not gonna come in throwing bombs and calling names. The statistics, ups, downs, of this election cycle are truly reality tv, but potentially historic. And there is something we can all agree on ...

Fuck Ted Cruz


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This is an honest question... how do you account for Trump taking swing states when he can't get over 40% in his own party?

If anything, his core 30% being so strong may actually hurt him if he pivots middle. He's been so strongly anti establishment that he would be seen as just an enormous hypocrite. How does he fight against that?

Or are you in agreement that many of his supporters simply don't know any better and will support him no matter what?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

I beg to differ on the numbers. Trump is closing the gap in the RCP average on a head to head matchup with HRC. It's still not optimal for Trump with at Clinton +8.5 but last month it was double digits. A recent GWU/Battleground poll has Clinton +3 with 11% undecided. Within the margin of error.

Closing the gap means nothing in a four way, it also comes down to what states could he flip?

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

I will also make a bold prediction that Trump will be the best performing Republican with African-Americans should he end up the top of the ticket. He has universal name recognition. Not tough to break Romney's 7% performance. McCain did poorly as well if I recall.

The recent polls have him between 4%-12% with African Americans. His touting of 25% came from a right wing poll in September.

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

It's going to be a nasty fight regardless with some people staying home or holding their noses to vote. If I were on the Democrat side I wouldn't necessarily be giddy to face Trump. He has defied the odds and is a Kingslayer taking down the anointed GOP figureheads of Jeb! And Rubio(with an assist from Christie).



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Yes, it's going to be nasty, and that's when Trump gets more childlike, that will not bode well in the general election.


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[mikal]

Originally Posted by BVS

Closing the gap means nothing in a four way

Ron Jeremy begs to differ.

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[cobl04]

Man I really don't think there's anything uglier than partisan support. On any side. There is one woman on Twitter I followed back when Baltimore blew up, she was terrific, but these days literally every tweet and RT, several in an hour, is about Bernie, whether it's a really shithouse "dank" meme, or constant complaining about Hillary... I'm about as left as they come and it just makes my skin coil. It's hideous.

[LuckyNumber7]

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[Mack_Again]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

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that's like 99% of what Jimmy Dore says.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by mikal

Ron Jeremy begs to differ.

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[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

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just change "lame-stream" to "corporate" media and, well, these are the conversations i read on Facebook (and keep my damn mouth shut).

what i find so interesting about people who advocate for candidates who aren't presently front-runners, in this or other elections, is the blame-the-media strategy -- the right has been doing it for years, "liberal media bias," but now i'm hearing it from the left about "corporate media" -- as well as the overuse and misuse of the word "narrative." The common "well, that's what THEY want you to believe" is maddening.

[LuckyNumber7]

I don't think there's any media malice about the Sanders campaign.

But I do think early on, he wasn't taken legitimately and that probably really helped Clinton with name recognition in early voting states. I don't think that was some ploy from the media... to be honest it would've been a ploy had they been talking too much about Sanders (a ploy to strength competition against Clinton so they have stuff to talk about).

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I don't think there's any media malice about the Sanders campaign.

But I do think early on, he wasn't taken legitimately and that probably really helped Clinton with name recognition in early voting states. I don't think that was some ploy from the media... to be honest it would've been a ploy had they been talking too much about Sanders (a ploy to strength competition against Clinton so they have stuff to talk about).

i agree, but where you see the natural course of events others see CONSPIRACY and CLINTON NEWS NETWORK and THE BANKERS ARE SCARED OF BERNIE SO THEY ARE BLACKING HIM OUT.

i probably know too many people in San Francisco.




KIDDING.

[LuckyNumber7]

I dunno. It's a good story. It's one of the talking points of his campaign. Really big corporations will use you.

I'd say that much is true, but I don't know about any conspiracy. I'm not a fan.

The only conspiracy I truly believe is that the NHL helped fix game 6 of the Panthers-Islanders playoff game to help the repairing image of the now-in-Brooklyn New York Islanders. Just saying. This was probably Clinton's doing.

[anitram]

I like Bernie Sanders on a personal level, I think he's a decent human being and seems to have stood for something in his life. But I really hope he moves on quickly and puts all of us out of our collective miseries. He has done well to push HC to the left on some issues and if she and her team are intelligent, they will work with him to on one or two things that are meaningful to him and his supporters. Let this show get on the road already.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

My lord Ted Cruz is trying to rip off Hoosiers in his speech.

At what level of self loathing do you have to be to attend a Ted Cruz rally?

[mikal]

Is there anyone creepier than Ted Cruz in the history of the presidential race?

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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Did Dennis Hastert ever run?

[Oregoropa]

Meanwhile Michael Stipe must be channeling Rip Van Winkle. WTF.



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