2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VIII

[LuckyNumber7]

Haha I just watched an interview of a grand wizard of the KKK endorsing Donald Trump. He said he'd vote for Kasich before he would vote for Ted Cruz.

Even the KKK hates Ted Cruz.

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by BVS

Smoking is healthy.

Black people lie because Africa governments are corrupt.

AIDS isn't real.

All conservatives are mentally ill.

A wall(which the laws of physics and economics can't be built) will solve our issues.

These are ALL opinions that have actually been stated in FYM.

You still want a forum filled with opinions that can't be substantiated?

Everything is welcome, just be able to support your thoughts and ideas. Why is this so hard?



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Leave it to the moderators to deal with.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Leave it to the moderators to deal with.


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that's not the moderators' job. It's not against the rules to come in here and spout off opinions.

This used to be a place of shared ideas, in other words people who thought out and could support their opinions. They had reason for their opinions. Now it's just enough to have an opinion, and being asked to substantiate that opinion is mocked.


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

You know what would solve this? A wall. A uuuuuge wall between deep and the rest of the forum. Trollin' Deep. Trollin' Deep. It would be just so great, the wall. it's true. And I'm gonna get @U2.com to pay for it.

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[Axver]

Thank christ he's not getting U2gigs to pay for it, I don't have the coin for a wall great enough to stop Trollin' Deep.

[Vlad n U 2]

We could have banned them all
Trolling in the deep

[Kieran McConville]

If I was the mod around here... oh my god. Let's just say anyone's chances of staying would be roughly the same as a Calvinist's neighbours' of getting to heaven.

But I'm not a mod.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Kieran McConville

But I'm not a mod.

Mandatory Mod Story Times Enacted Under Kieran's Rule

[cobl04]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

You know what would solve this? A wall. A uuuuuge wall between deep and the rest of the forum. Trollin' Deep. Trollin' Deep. It would be just so great, the wall. it's true. And I'm gonna get @U2.com to pay for it.

Deep the only person on this forum to speak sense! U2Interference forum dying! Liberals refuse to listen to Deep. Sad!

[Moonlit_Angel]

Getting back on topic...quoting Irvine from a few pages back:

Originally Posted by Irvine511

I blame people who vote GOP and who have consumed a steady diet of distortions and lies from Fox News and other outlets of right wing media. There's also a very real problem in rural white America. There are people who have been left behind by modernity -- the death rate for white women of a certain income is rising. Small town America is in tatters. We may be seeing the rise of white identity politics. It doesn't come from nowhere.

I'll add this, too-some of those small towns have nobody to blame but themselves for why they're dying out and struggling. Just came across this piece about a town in Nebraska:

Tiny Nebraska town says no to 1,100 jobs, citing way of life

There may be a valid argument for wanting to keep one's general "small town feel", perhaps, or legit opposition to any issues regarding smell or other health concerns a business would bring...but then I read things like this:

The question of who would work the tough jobs was at the forefront of the debate, though many were adamant they aren't anti-immigrant. Opposition leader Randy Ruppert even announced: "This is not about race. This is not about religion."

But both were raised at the raucous April 4 meeting where the local board rejected the plant. One speaker said he'd toured a chicken processing plant elsewhere and felt nervous because most of the workers were minorities.

More overtly, John Wiegert, from nearby Fremont where two meat processors employ many immigrants, questioned whether Nickerson's plant would attract legal immigrants from Somalia — more than 1,000 of whom have moved to other Nebraska cities for similar jobs, along with people from Mexico, Central America and Southeast Asia.

"Being a Christian, I don't want Somalis in here," Wiegert, who has led efforts to deny rental housing to immigrants in the country illegally, told the crowd. "They're of Muslim descent. I'm worried about the type of people this is going to attract."

Yeeeeeeeeeeeah...

Like I said, nobody to blame but themselves.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

They would actually be Muslims of Somali descent, but I digress...

The issue of the poor and inadequate educational opportunities does not discriminate.

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by BVS

that's not the moderators' job. It's not against the rules to come in here and spout off opinions.

This used to be a place of shared ideas, in other words people who thought out and could support their opinions. They had reason for their opinions. Now it's just enough to have an opinion, and being asked to substantiate that opinion is mocked.


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Only the right kind of ideas? That's why we started mocking you when you over-played your hand.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Only the right kind of ideas? That's why we started mocking you when you over-played your hand.


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False.

Then call me out for "over playing my hand" not asking for you to support your thoughts. If I was truly only going after "the wrong kind of ideas" it would be much easier to call me out on that rather than mock what is considered basic intelligent debate. You backed yourself into a corner taking that route.


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[Oregoropa]

Everybody here knows your game.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Everybody here knows your game.


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Yahtzee?!

[DaveC]

my game is ro-sham-bo. i always win because i always go first as reigning champion.

[BEAL]

So.....

Sounds like Bernie wants to fight all the way to the convention. He wants a fair allocation/representation of the delegates. That despite larger victories, he's still only walked away with a handful more delegates than Hillary, and he feels this is unfair and should be contested at the convention.

I guess I can kind of see his point, but as others have stated on here, much better than I have, when it's come to a "big/critical" primary state, he's been crushed. Only state he surprised in was Michigan.

Otherwise he's lost every other swing state by a large margin. I think a lot of the delegates see this, and it's one reason why they stand behind Clinton. Not out of some conspiracy/establishment theory, but out of the best chance to win the election.

Interesting to watch and see if this does play out

[Popmartijn]

Originally Posted by BEAL

So.....

Sounds like Bernie wants to fight all the way to the convention. He wants a fair allocation/representation of the delegates. That despite larger victories, he's still only walked away with a handful more delegates than Hillary, and he feels this is unfair and should be contested at the convention.

I guess I can kind of see his point, but as others have stated on here, much better than I have, when it's come to a "big/critical" primary state, he's been crushed.

What is he smoking?
He hasn't walked away with more delegates than Hillary. And what is a fair allocation of the delegates? If the whole Democratic primary was proportional voting (instead of some weird caucuses or staged allocation of delegates) then he would be behind even further. At least, that's according to the math of this 538-article.
Clinton’s Delegate Lead Would Triple Under GOP Rules | FiveThirtyEight
(Let's ignore the outcome if the Democrats had used the Republican allocation rules )

[BigMacPhisto]

Primary results have nothing to do with the "best chance at winning an election"...the general election polls would at least be a hint as to what could happen and Sanders is favored over Clinton by a mile against Republican opponents.

Honestly, peddling the illogical notion that primary support translates to the general election quality of a candidate would mean that Trump is the strongest GOP candidate imaginable this cycle. He has earned just over 10,000,000 votes. Romney almost earned 61,000,000 in the general election. In other words, there's 51,000,000 people left in his own party that he would need to sway to his side to just match Romney's five million vote loss.

It would be interesting to go back and adjust all of the states that already voted based on Sanders' current nationwide support in polling. Makes you wonder if he could have done it with an extra month or two to ramp up his name recognition. Mathematically, there's clearly people that already voted Clinton and have switched sides or didn't bother to vote at all and ended up supporting Sanders after he'd gone through their states.

Based on early voting patterns in the past, I'd say at least 1-2 million votes cast for Clinton have been from people who never even had the chance to hear about Sanders until it was too late and they'd already submitted their vote-by-mail ballots. Sanders would often start showing up in states a week before the "day of voting" yet plenty of those states had already been allowing people to mail in their ballots for weeks. This would also help explain part of the reason why he did so well in caucus states as nobody can actually vote early in them. You can't say those voters "chose" Clinton when they merely checked a box before there was even a debate in their minds about the two candidates. To these people (likely older voters since they prefer to vote-by-mail and wouldn't be on the internet to hear about Sanders 24/7), Bernie was merely just some no name candidate in an election that was preordained for Clinton. They had no idea that a competitive race was being run, and even if they did, they knew next to nothing about Sanders as he hadn't made any in state appearances or advertisements until weeks after they had submitted their ballots.

Case in point? The friggin' nationwide polling between Clinton and Sanders. Had Sanders been able to have that level of support from the start, he probably would have won this thing due to extra dedicated followers and absolutely crushing Clinton in caucus states.

This article basically explains it all...2/3 of voters in Florida had basically made up their minds before the primaries had even really got out of Iowa...no Sanders appearances or ads yet whatsoever.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-a...b_9567212.html