2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VIII

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Did we really underestimate Trump?

Or was the GOP so inept that they let Trump steal the nomination without ever moving his needle above 40% by having too many bumbling idiots in the clown car?

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Did we really underestimate Trump?

Or was the GOP so inept that they let Trump steal the nomination without ever moving his needle above 40% by having too many bumbling idiots in the clown car?

This is what I've been wondering as well.

He certainly understands how media works.

But Ted fucking Cruz is in 2nd place. Everyone hates him. The former speaker called him Lucifer and a miserable sumabitch.

I blame people who vote GOP and who have consumed a steady diet of distortions and lies from Fox News and other outlets of right wing media. There's also a very real problem in rural white America. There are people who have been left behind by modernity -- the death rate for white women of a certain income is rising. Small town America is in tatters. We may be seeing the rise of white identity politics. It doesn't come from nowhere.

Trump is a product of all these things.

I do think Hillary will crush him. I really do. Because he hates powerful women. He likes smart women who work for him, but his misogyny and disdain for some broad in a pantsuit -- which will be amplified during the debates -- will likely render him so unpalatable to women voters that he's DOA. He's already alienated Latinos. Who else has he got other than straight white men with chips on their shoulders?

I hope.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

some broad in a pantsuit -- .

Ted Cruz is President Punchable Face and Hillary is President Some Broad in a Pantsuit?

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

This is what I've been wondering as well.

He certainly understands how media works.

But Ted fucking Cruz is in 2nd place. Everyone hates him. The former speaker called him Lucifer and a miserable sumabitch.

I blame people who vote GOP and who have consumed a steady diet of distortions and lies from Fox News and other outlets of right wing media. There's also a very real problem in rural white America. There are people who have been left behind by modernity -- the death rate for white women of a certain income is rising. Small town America is in tatters. We may be seeing the rise of white identity politics. It doesn't come from nowhere.

Trump is a product of all these things.

I do think Hillary will crush him. I really do. Because he hates powerful women. He likes smart women who work for him, but his misogyny and disdain for some broad in a pantsuit -- which will be amplified during the debates -- will likely render him so unpalatable to women voters that he's DOA. He's already alienated Latinos. Who else has he got other than straight white men with chips on their shoulders?

I hope.

At one point I was worried about Trump actually winning the general, because I feared that the democrats wouldn't show up because they weren't energized enough. Then I feared Trump might win if the Dems were somehow stupid enough to nominate Sanders. Now that the base seems to have been fired up and Hillary is the presumed candidate, it's back to basic math. Trump's numbers don't add up.

Even in the event of a terrorist attack, Trump's isolationist foreign policy won't help him, whereas Clinton is fairly hawkish for a Democrat.

In a Trump/Clinton matchup the only way Hillary loses is if somehow she gets indicted.

[Axver]

Originally Posted by deep

But as I took the time to listen to each of Trumps points, I can do not find any of them to be unreasonable.

This says a lot about you, and why some of us consider you a troll, or little better than one.

e.g. Most people would consider demanding a foreign country, whose people have been depicted as rapists, to pay for a wall that is impractical from an engineering sense and outrageous from a diplomatic or moral one, to not be a reasonable point.

Originally Posted by Hewson

Considering how difficult it has been for Hillary to put away Bernie, Trump would have a chance. She's a very unlikeable candidate, and once he starts attacking her anything is possible.

I'm with the others who don't think Hillary has had that hard a time putting away Sanders. Yes, he's challenged her, and that has been beneficial for the Democrats. But in most of the states where, in the leadup, Sanders was considered likely to nab a previously unexpected victory, Hillary worked the game very well and won - by good margins. I would anticipate she could do the same if Trump looked like a real threat in swing states. She may be unlikeable, but her people know how to win.

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Did we really underestimate Trump?

Or was the GOP so inept that they let Trump steal the nomination without ever moving his needle above 40% by having too many bumbling idiots in the clown car?

This is the thing isn't it? He can't even get a majority of the diehard base who actually participate in primaries, despite most of his opponents being either a). also morons and/or b). completely lacking in name recognition. How is he meant to translate this more widely? The Republicans are killing themselves by pandering to a base that is increasingly out of touch. It's a product of the perils of gerrymandering too well: instead of competing for a moderate candidate who can win the centre away from the rival party, you create competitions to prove who is the One True Republican and that spawns extremism. It's now flowed from Congressional districts to nominating a candidate.

[cobl04]

Why aren't we talking about Obama being a fucking sick cunt at the correspondents dinner

[BVS]

Originally Posted by cobl04

Why aren't we talking about Obama being a fucking sick cunt at the correspondents dinner

What did he do? After a Google search not even Faux News is saying anything harsh about the dinner.


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[cobl04]

I think you are misunderstanding what I mean by "sick cunt"

[Axver]

Originally Posted by cobl04

Why aren't we talking about Obama being a fucking sick cunt at the correspondents dinner

Bet he can't DJ as well as John Howard though.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by cobl04

I think you are misunderstanding what I mean by "sick cunt"

Probably so, never heard it used in any kind of positive manner.


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[LuckyNumber7]

Did somebody say Juwan Howard?

[Axver]

In Australian slang, "cunt" can be positive or negative depending on the context, "fucking cunt" is really negative, and "mad cunt" and "sick cunt" are really positive.

STRAYA.

[Moonlit_Angel]

I'd read cobl's comment as a positive thing, but yeah, here in the States, you do NOT use that word unless you want to get slapped in the face. It's very much not seen as a positive word here.

(I've virtually never heard it used among people I know, myself, so I honestly didn't even know it was so heavily frowned upon until I'd hear people saying so on TV, or online.)

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Axver

In Australian slang, "cunt" can be positive or negative depending on the context, "fucking cunt" is really negative, and "mad cunt" and "sick cunt" are really positive.

STRAYA.

Interesting...


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[deep]

Larry Wilmore really killed it
the room did not like him.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Axver

In Australian slang, "cunt" can be positive or negative depending on the context, "fucking cunt" is really negative, and "mad cunt" and "sick cunt" are really positive.

STRAYA.

I was going to explain that he might be a Glaswegian (where the use of cunt is also strangely positive).

[Kieran McConville]

John Howard slayed it on the decks for 11 years here like a you know what, but then they booted his ass. He got a commemorative salad bowl from George Bush though, so there's that.

[cobl04]

Originally Posted by Axver

Bet he can't DJ as well as John Howard though.

Who could? Look at the Aussie PrideTM in that last frame.

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

I'd read cobl's comment as a positive thing, but yeah, here in the States, you do NOT use that word unless you want to get slapped in the face. It's very much not seen as a positive word here.

(I've virtually never heard it used among people I know, myself, so I honestly didn't even know it was so heavily frowned upon until I'd hear people saying so on TV, or online.)

This just makes me want to come back to America for a third time and just walk around saying cunt all the time

Originally Posted by Kieran McConville

John Howard slayed it on the decks for 11 years here like a you know what, but then they booted his ass. He got a commemorative salad bowl from George Bush though, so there's that.

Yes, but he is also viewed with a revisionist hero's glow now, so.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

I blame people who vote GOP and who have consumed a steady diet of distortions and lies from Fox News and other outlets of right wing media. There's also a very real problem in rural white America. There are people who have been left behind by modernity -- the death rate for white women of a certain income is rising. Small town America is in tatters. We may be seeing the rise of white identity politics. It doesn't come from nowhere.

Trump is a product of all these things.


I do think Hillary will crush him. I really do. Because he hates powerful women. He likes smart women who work for him, but his misogyny and disdain for some broad in a pantsuit -- which will be amplified during the debates -- will likely render him so unpalatable to women voters that he's DOA. He's already alienated Latinos. Who else has he got other than straight white men with chips on their shoulders?

I hope.

Luckily for all American voters, Mrs. Clinton is running a campaign light on the identity politics

Your last paragraph is well taken, though.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Can we campaign to make cunt as acceptable in the US as it is in Australia?