2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part XI

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So Drumpf is speaking in Green Bay on Friday and I'm thinking about going just as a social experiment.

What's funny is that basically all GOP senators and the governor (Fuck Scott Walker) are not showing up. Must be in response to Drumpf being a dick to Paul Ryan.
 
The GOP seems to only react, there's no vision of what's ahead by their actions.

Obama played the SC nomination beautifully. He put up a guy highly regarded by both sides, who even leans more to the center-right. GOP has doubled down on their stupidity, and now it's looking like they'll end up having to vote in a much more liberal/progressive candidate.

Their inability to see further than their nose down the road is one of the many reasons they have a dysfunctional sociopath at the top of their ticket.
 
So Mike Pence has endorsed Paul Ryan. :lol:

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Maybe I'm going to jump back on the "He's a Clinton plant..." conspiracy..... ;)

His campaign is imploding.
 
Nah. He's just a narcissist who didn't really think this whole running for President thing through. He just picked the right election year. The GOP base was pissed at the elite for not doing anything and yet still hates Obama thanks to the right wing media.

The GOP clown car primary was rife with flawed candidates and the media just couldn't get enough of Trump.

I honestly don't think he thought he'd actually win. This was all to promo the Trump brand. But when he started to win, his ego just couldn't let go. Now he's realizing there's a hard fucking job ahead if he wins.

But given how awful the GOP have been through Obama's presidency they have no one to blame but themselves.
 
If there is a silver lining to this whole Trump spectacle / debacle, it's that he is giving Democrats and Republicans something to agree upon, at long last, even if that something is as simple as recognizing someone unqualified to be president at the most fundamental levels.
 
Tim Huelskamp, Kansas representative and tea party darling, lost his primary yesterday 56-44%. He was a Cruz backer and staunch NeverTrump guy. Lost to a pro-Trump obgyn Doctor.

Very interested to see what happens with the Paul Ryan - Nehlen primary next week.

Could get Cantored in Brexitish surprise.


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More seats to go blue then


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Oregoropa said:
Tim Huelskamp, Kansas representative and tea party darling, lost his primary yesterday 56-44%. He was a Cruz backer and staunch NeverTrump guy. Lost to a pro-Trump obgyn Doctor.

Very interested to see what happens with the Paul Ryan - Nehlen primary next week.

Could get Cantored in Brexitish surprise.


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The loser also wasn't coming through for the ag interests. It wasn't necessarily a Trump thing.


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It is discomforting to read the things people say about Hillary on the internet.

There are right-leaning people who genuinely believe Obama and Hillary are leading a movement to eventually transform the US into a Stalinist regime where the government controls everything and individual liberty doesn't exist anymore.

There are people on the left(well, actually, probably everywhere on the spectrum) that call our two-party system a corporate duopoly, there is no difference, it's all one party, and they all report to the same corporate masters, and Hillary won't do much of what she's promising because her corporate masters won't let her.

I say the former is insane right-wing paranoia, while the latter is an exaggeration of a truth.

The former is insane is because a Stalinist regime, a full-on socialist or even communist state, requires that the government be in control over much, much more than what the American Left wants. We want like three things - healthcare, education, and the social safety net - that have anything to do with any kind of socialistic principles. And yes, we want to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it. You know what we don't support? Suppression of free speech, the government running all the media, the government owning all of the means of production of the goods we buy(cars, food, clothes, housing, whatever), etc etc etc. Maybe you can make the argument that we want to use ideas from certain current European social democracies, but there is no argument to be made that anyone wants an actual socialist or communist government. Fuck's sake.

The latter is an exaggeration of the truth because, while it's true that corporate America has an absolutely troubling amount of control over both political parties, and that there are certain things that aren't likely to change until that control is lessened, to argue that there's no difference at all between them when one of them wants to at least try to do something to combat gun violence and the other won't lift a finger, when one of them wants to treat illegal aliens like human beings and the other wants to unceremoniously toss them all out, when one acknowledges climate change and the existential threat it poses while other continues to mock the issue, when one wants to try to solve the problem of so many uninsured people while the other spits on those solutions and offers none of their own, when one doesn't want to let religion dictate stripping gay people of their rights and one does, etc etc, is to willfully bury one's head in the sand.

And yes, I'm aware that last paragraph was actually one monster run-on sentence.
 
I mean your simple answer about people believing Obama and Clinton want a "Stalinist regime" isn't a serious discussion. People who believe this have nothing more than a C average high school knowledge of world history and government. They don't know what that means. They're just sheeple who replay lines they've heard before, and equate left to social to socialism to communism to Russia to enemy. Not worth a discussion.
 
namkcuR said:
It is discomforting to read the things people say about Hillary on the internet.

There are right-leaning people who genuinely believe Obama and Hillary are leading a movement to eventually transform the US into a Stalinist regime where the government controls everything and individual liberty doesn't exist anymore.

There are people on the left(well, actually, probably everywhere on the spectrum) that call our two-party system a corporate duopoly, there is no difference, it's all one party, and they all report to the same corporate masters, and Hillary won't do much of what she's promising because her corporate masters won't let her.

I say the former is insane right-wing paranoia, while the latter is an exaggeration of a truth.

The former is insane is because a Stalinist regime, a full-on socialist or even communist state, requires that the government be in control over much, much more than what the American Left wants. We want like three things - healthcare, education, and the social safety net - that have anything to do with any kind of socialistic principles. And yes, we want to raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it. You know what we don't support? Suppression of free speech, the government running all the media, the government owning all of the means of production of the goods we buy(cars, food, clothes, housing, whatever), etc etc etc. Maybe you can make the argument that we want to use ideas from certain current European social democracies, but there is no argument to be made that anyone wants an actual socialist or communist government. Fuck's sake.

The latter is an exaggeration of the truth because, while it's true that corporate America has an absolutely troubling amount of control over both political parties, and that there are certain things that aren't likely to change until that control is lessened, to argue that there's no difference at all between them when one of them wants to at least try to do something to combat gun violence and the other won't lift a finger, when one of them wants to treat illegal aliens like human beings and the other wants to unceremoniously toss them all out, when one acknowledges climate change and the existential threat it poses while other continues to mock the issue, when one wants to try to solve the problem of so many uninsured people while the other spits on those solutions and offers none of their own, when one doesn't want to let religion dictate stripping gay people of their rights and one does, etc etc, is to willfully bury one's head in the sand.

And yes, I'm aware that last paragraph was actually one monster run-on sentence.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for this. I'm getting really fed up with seeing that BS all over the internet, too.
 
The Republicans really shat the bed with the Garland nomination. I don't think that they necessarily thought they would win the Presidency but they have a blind, irrational hatred of Obama and if he had nominated Reagan's corpse they wouldn't have allowed a vote. Additionally they felt good about down-ticket races due to their own gerrymandering. So even if Hillary won, they could block her nominees like the obstructionists that they are.

Now, Obama should oblige them and Hillary should nominate somebody like Pam Karlan, a Stanford law prof and lesbian, incredibly intelligent woman that would give the GOP fits. They deserve that type of nominee.
 
LuckyNumber7 said:
I mean your simple answer about people believing Obama and Clinton want a "Stalinist regime" isn't a serious discussion. People who believe this have nothing more than a C average high school knowledge of world history and government. They don't know what that means. They're just sheeple who replay lines they've heard before, and equate left to social to socialism to communism to Russia to enemy. Not worth a discussion.
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Yeah, you head over to any rw website right now and peer in the comments section and you'll see a majority that after 7 years still believe Obama's a Muslim who's going to take their guns and implement martial law right before the election and that Hilary will even be worst. Almost 8 years and not one gun confiscated, no sharia law, or a single death panel; but they're still talking about a Stalin regime. These folks were taught to live in fear; fear of change, fear of those different than them, even fear of knowledge. You will never reach them. You just hope that with more and more access to knowledge that it will be harder and harder to indoctrinate younger generations.


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anitram said:
The Republicans really shat the bed with the Garland nomination. I don't think that they necessarily thought they would win the Presidency but they have a blind, irrational hatred of Obama and if he had nominated Reagan's corpse they wouldn't have allowed a vote. Additionally they felt good about down-ticket races due to their own gerrymandering. So even if Hillary won, they could block her nominees like the obstructionists that they are.

Now, Obama should oblige them and Hillary should nominate somebody like Pam Karlan, a Stanford law prof and lesbian, incredibly intelligent woman that would give the GOP fits. They deserve that type of nominee.
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Three lesbians on one court?!?!?
 
BigMacPhisto said:
If Obama doesn't pull Garland, he's a fucking idiot.

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Clinton is going to win, let's enjoy her pick and not some needless moderate that's only been brought forward as a political tool.
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Needless moderate? Yes, because as we all know, the real problem children in our politics are the moderates.
 
So, you would want somebody on the court that agrees with the conservative side some of the time?
 
mikal said:
So Drumpf is speaking in Green Bay on Friday and I'm thinking about going just as a social experiment.

What's funny is that basically all GOP senators and the governor (Fuck Scott Walker) are not showing up. Must be in response to Drumpf being a dick to Paul Ryan.
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Go. Absolutely go. I would if the opportunity presented itself... who doesn't stop and gawk at a good car crash?
 
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