2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part XI - Page 36

BigMacPhisto · 07-31-2016, 11:57 PM

We'll just have to wait and see, but nobody can argue that Clinton and her camp haven't done everything they can to hide her from the public and media. No press conferences this year, a small handful of Democratic debates held on low viewership nights, etc.

namkcuR · 08-01-2016, 12:02 AM

Those of us on the left should be careful about having such nonexistent expectations for Trump in the debates. They call it the soft bigotry of low expectations. I offer this exchange from The West Wing:

Quote:

TOBY
These two men are going to be side by side on the stage, answering
questions. That's the ball game.

C.J.
If the whole thing is, he can't tie his shoelaces and it turns out he can,
then that is the ball game.

The bar is so low for Trump regarding the debates that if he comes out and gives even just an 'ok' performance as opposed to a 'holy-shit' level awful performance, then the next-day story every news outlet is running is 'hey, he actually wasn't completely terrible! Maybe he can be president!'.

This could also be compounded if Hillary were to have an off night. We're all expecting Hillary to dominate the debates, and she's certainly capable of it, but even great, brilliant debaters can have off nights(see that first Obama-Romney debate in 2012 where Obama didn't do great), and if Hillary has an off-night against Trump while he has an 'ok' night, watch out for the stories that get written.

cobl04 · 08-01-2016, 12:07 AM

I can't quite envisage a debate in which Hillary beats him. If she ever talks over him she'll get called hysterical. If she tries to just calmly present policy, she'll be called boring. If she counters with important facts, figures, anything of substance, I can just see Trump saying something outlandish, which he's done from the very start, and it will win people over, despite there being no substance whatsoever to what he's saying.

LuckyNumber7 · 08-01-2016, 12:15 AM

I don't think the debates are going to make people in the middle choose a side. I think all they'll do is push people more and more to the side they were already thinking. Or encourage people not to vote.

Or maybe they'll get Gary Johnson in there, that'd be a real mixup. I'm sure you've all heard it by now but... "Why choose between the left nut and the right nut when you can just have the Johnson?"

DaveC · 08-01-2016, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

"Why choose between the left nut and the right nut when you can just have the Johnson?"

nbelcik · 08-01-2016, 12:25 AM

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Let's not forget about other qualified third party candidates besides Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.

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Axver · 08-01-2016, 12:32 AM

I thought I was fucking sick of the Harambe meme until I saw that.

Kieran McConville · 08-01-2016, 01:55 AM

Who, or what, is the Harambe meme? I mean, I'm pretty good on some of my memes, I know the Vengeance Dad Meme, the Success Kid Meme, and well, one or two others. But not the Harambe Meme.

Popmartijn · 08-01-2016, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

We'll just have to wait and see, but nobody can argue that Clinton and her camp haven't done everything they can to hide her from the public and media.

Why do you immediately tie this debate schedule to Hillary? The debates are organized by a non-partisan committee. And the dates were set sometime last year, way before the candidates were even known. You could therefore argue that the NFL is up to something, scheduling these two games on a debate night.

Popmartijn · 08-01-2016, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cobl04

I can't quite envisage a debate in which Hillary beats him. If she ever talks over him she'll get called hysterical. If she tries to just calmly present policy, she'll be called boring. If she counters with important facts, figures, anything of substance, I can just see Trump saying something outlandish, which he's done from the very start, and it will win people over, despite there being no substance whatsoever to what he's saying.

On the other hand, if she is talking and Trump is trying to brutely interrupt her (or shout back at one of her statements) it will come across as male aggression surpressing a woman. And that will not look good on him.

LuckyNumber7 · 08-01-2016, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Popmartijn

On the other hand, if she is talking and Trump is trying to brutely interrupt her (or shout back at one of her statements) it will come across as male aggression surpressing a woman. And that will not look good on him.

This happened to Bernie. He raised his voice at her and talked over her and I'm sure we all remember what happened. Not everyone agreed, but it still happened.

cobl04 · 08-01-2016, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Popmartijn

On the other hand, if she is talking and Trump is trying to brutely interrupt her (or shout back at one of her statements) it will come across as male aggression surpressing a woman. And that will not look good on him.

This is the thing though, the line about Mexicans didn't look good. His repsonse to the father of the Muslim army bloke didn't look good. His comments about his daughter, or the Obamas, or any one of a million things, didn't look good. But it hasn't mattered. It hasn't hurt him.

So why would talking over Hillary all of a sudden be the thing that hurts him? I don't buy it.

Mack_Again · 08-01-2016, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kieran McConville

Who, or what, is the Harambe meme? I mean, I'm pretty good on some of my memes, I know the Vengeance Dad Meme, the Success Kid Meme, and well, one or two others. But not the Harambe Meme.

Harambe was a gorilla shot in that zoo in Ohio that I forgot the name of.

deep · 08-01-2016, 02:59 AM

Cecil the lion, would win over anyone, why is he being left out?????
rigged, totally rigged

LuckyNumber7 · 08-01-2016, 03:17 AM

He's been treated very unfairly, let me tell you.

Kieran McConville · 08-01-2016, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mack_Again

Harambe was a gorilla shot in that zoo in Ohio that I forgot the name of.

Oh right, that one zoo in Ohio. Yeah, ok, I vaguely get it now.

Why isn't Joseph Kony on the ballot this year? Kony 2016 should be the best Kony ever!

BVS · 08-01-2016, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

I understand Trump's point...

Shocked

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Vlad n U 2 · 08-01-2016, 06:30 AM

You can understand where Trump is coming from without necessarily supporting him.

BVS · 08-01-2016, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

You can understand where Trump is coming from without necessarily supporting him.

Obvious

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womanfish · 08-01-2016, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

You misinterpreted what I meant. By caring where they come from, I mean that it's not like there's an incredibly high demand for your services. It's not like if she chooses not to do one of those speeches, she has another lined up waiting for her the same day. You take as many as you're offered, because 200k is a significant portion of her income.

Again. Sexist as shit. She gets paid what is normal for someone of her background and stature. First lady of Arkansas, First lady of U.S., 2 term senator of one of the most influential states in the union, SOS, and past presidential nominee. No comes close to that background yet, let see other peoples fees.

Donald Trump - $1.5M

Topping the list by a longshot is billionaire birther and infamous reality-TV host Donald Trump. “The Donald earned a staggering $1.5 million per speech at The Learning Annex’s ‘real estate wealth expos’ in 2006 and 2007,” according to Forbes. “Trump appeared at 17 seminars and collected this fee for each one.”

Bill Clinton - $200K

Tim Geithner - $200K

Ben Bernanke - $200K to $400K

Condoleezza Rice - 150K

Larry Summers - $135K

Al Gore - $100K

Sarah Palin - $100K

David Plouffe - $100K

Dick Cheney - $75K

Mitt Romney - $68K

But yeah, she shouldn't be paid this amount. ridiculous

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08-01-2016, 12:07 AM	#703
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 59,148 Local Time: 06:14 AM	I can't quite envisage a debate in which Hillary beats him. If she ever talks over him she'll get called hysterical. If she tries to just calmly present policy, she'll be called boring. If she counters with important facts, figures, anything of substance, I can just see Trump saying something outlandish, which he's done from the very start, and it will win people over, despite there being no substance whatsoever to what he's saying.

08-01-2016, 12:15 AM	#704
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,689 Local Time: 04:14 PM	I don't think the debates are going to make people in the middle choose a side. I think all they'll do is push people more and more to the side they were already thinking. Or encourage people not to vote. Or maybe they'll get Gary Johnson in there, that'd be a real mixup. I'm sure you've all heard it by now but... "Why choose between the left nut and the right nut when you can just have the Johnson?"

08-01-2016, 12:25 AM	#706
nbelcik Refugee Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 1,592 Local Time: 01:14 PM	Let's not forget about other qualified third party candidates besides Jill Stein and Gary Johnson. Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference

08-01-2016, 01:55 AM	#708
Kieran McConville ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hi, Violet Posts: 10,253 Local Time: 06:14 AM	Who, or what, is the Harambe meme? I mean, I'm pretty good on some of my memes, I know the Vengeance Dad Meme, the Success Kid Meme, and well, one or two others. But not the Harambe Meme.

08-01-2016, 02:59 AM	#714
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 12:14 PM	Cecil the lion, would win over anyone, why is he being left out????? rigged, totally rigged

08-01-2016, 03:17 AM	#715
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 19,689 Local Time: 04:14 PM	He's been treated very unfairly, let me tell you.

08-01-2016, 06:30 AM	#718
Vlad n U 2 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 28,387 Local Time: 06:44 AM	You can understand where Trump is coming from without necessarily supporting him.