2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part XI - Page 32 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 07-29-2016, 07:17 PM   #621
Blue Crack Addict
 
LuckyNumber7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 18,444
Local Time: 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveC View Post
exactly. being paid for a speech or two is nowhere close to being on the payroll.

and wtf is so spectacularly evil about speaking at a goldman sachs event anyways?

I mean, not that I'm going to jump on that train because I don't really care... but look at how much she got paid...
__________________

LuckyNumber7 is online now  
Old 07-29-2016, 07:21 PM   #622
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,663
Local Time: 08:12 PM
I thought this was a very well put thought on progressives and voting your conscience:

Quote:
If you believe that grassroots organizations and social movements are the most important vehicles for progressive change, then don’t think of voting as your personal endorsement of an individual candidate, as if the purpose of elections were to reflect our individual values; instead, think of your vote as your choice about which terrain you would prefer to ‘do battle’ within.
i.e. whose administration would make it easier to actually make progress towards your goals? For progressives, the choice seems pretty clear.
__________________

Diemen is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 07:23 PM   #623
Blue Crack Addict
 
DaveC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: nazi punks fuck off
Posts: 21,956
Local Time: 09:12 PM
so what?

my company could give me 2 billion dollars and make me prime minister of canada tomorrow, it wouldn't make me a slave to their whims. it's silly to think otherwise.

every president for the rest of the existence of the united states of america is going to need to work with wall street one way or another or your economy is fucked in the extreme.

so what if they paid her. i hope they got their money's worth.
DaveC is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 07:26 PM   #624
Blue Crack Addict
 
DaveC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: nazi punks fuck off
Posts: 21,956
Local Time: 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto View Post
Because Goldman Sachs is inherently evil. By making such an appearance, you're saying that what they're doing is just fine.

The Great American Bubble Machine - Rolling Stone
"From tech stocks to high gas prices, Goldman Sachs has engineered every major market manipulation since the Great Depression"

this is where i stopped reading, because that's one of the most absurd things i've ever heard.

eta: goldman sachs is not inherently evil, for the love of god. they are simply at the moment the biggest and the richest - and of course they are diversified into damn near everything, that's how they became the biggest and the richest.
DaveC is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 07:29 PM   #625
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,663
Local Time: 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dazzledbylight View Post
Federal Appeals Court over turned NC 's Voter ID law for " racially discriminatory intent".

Yes!!!

Hopefully NC Republicans can't successfully reset that before the Nov election!
The majority opinion is pretty unambiguous in what it makes of the law. It's quite a read:

Quote:
Although the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist. Thus the asserted justifications cannot and do not conceal the State’s true motivation. “In essence,” as in League of United Latin American Citizens v. Perry (LULAC), 548 U.S. 399, 440 (2006), “the State took away [minority voters’] opportunity because [they] were about to exercise it.” As in LULAC, “[t]his bears the mark of intentional discrimination.”
http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/7-29-...P%20v%20NC.pdf
Diemen is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 07:39 PM   #626
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,663
Local Time: 08:12 PM
Also, in more "you can't make this up" Trump news:

Diemen is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 07:47 PM   #627
Blue Crack Addict
 
LuckyNumber7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 18,444
Local Time: 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveC View Post
so what?

my company could give me 2 billion dollars and make me prime minister of canada tomorrow, it wouldn't make me a slave to their whims. it's silly to think otherwise.

every president for the rest of the existence of the united states of america is going to need to work with wall street one way or another or your economy is fucked in the extreme.

so what if they paid her. i hope they got their money's worth.

Sure, if someone gives you 2 billion dollars and all of the power you could ask for, you don't need them anymore.

That's not exactly a good example.

Like I said, I'm not taking some stance on Clinton in specific over this. It was never something that truly bugged me. But, you're not making a very good argument.
LuckyNumber7 is online now  
Old 07-29-2016, 07:47 PM   #628
Refugee
 
Bluer White's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,180
Local Time: 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DaveC View Post
so what?

my company could give me 2 billion dollars and make me prime minister of canada tomorrow, it wouldn't make me a slave to their whims. it's silly to think otherwise.
Immune to pay-for-play. Immune to deep-pocketed lobbyists. Really now?

You have some kind of Ted Cruz deal where you could legally run for president in the U.S. ? Please ???
Bluer White is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 07:48 PM   #629
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Popmartijn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 32,843
Local Time: 03:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7 View Post
I mean, not that I'm going to jump on that train because I don't really care... but look at how much she got paid...
What about it then? The amount isn't anything out of the ordinary for someone like her.
To quote from the article I linked to earlier ( https://thepolicy.us/thinking-about-...87c#.vr7sieatr )
Quote:
Is $200k really that unusual? In fact “All American Speakers”, the agency that represents Clinton, currently represents 135 people whose MINIMUM speaking fee is $200,000. Some of the luminaries that get paid this much include: Guy Fieri, Ang Lee, Cara Delevingne, Chelsea Handler, Elon Musk, Mehmet Oz, Michael Phelps, Nate Berkus, and “Larry the Cable Guy”. And no that last one is not a joke. And if you drop the speaking fee to $100k, the number of people they represent jumps to over 500. At $50,000 the number jumps to over 1,200. And All American Speakers are obviously not the only agency that represents speakers. So there are in fact thousands of people getting paid this kind of money to give a speech.
(BTW, John Kasich is in the $20K-$30K range. Mike Pence's fee is not disclosed, you'll have to contact that agency for it)
Popmartijn is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 07:55 PM   #630
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
trojanchick99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Los Feliz, CA (between Hollywood and Downtown LA)
Posts: 8,352
Local Time: 07:12 PM
I wonder if Donald is just a huge fan of Game of Thrones and wants to start using ravens to communicate.

Maybe he could consult with Mittens and bring back horses and bayonets while he's at it.

trojanchick99 is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 08:01 PM   #631
Blue Crack Addict
 
LuckyNumber7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 18,444
Local Time: 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popmartijn View Post
What about it then? The amount isn't anything out of the ordinary for someone like her.

To quote from the article I linked to earlier ( https://thepolicy.us/thinking-about-...87c#.vr7sieatr )



(BTW, John Kasich is in the $20K-$30K range. Mike Pence's fee is not disclosed, you'll have to contact that agency for it)

What do you mean "what about it?"

What kind of entities can afford to pay such money for a speech to be made? By suggesting that her high speaker fee is "normal" it's almost making the claim that she or no other politician is influenced by their income. If you made $3 million in a year, you'd be concerned about where your sets of $200k are coming from.
LuckyNumber7 is online now  
Old 07-29-2016, 08:06 PM   #632
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Popmartijn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 32,843
Local Time: 03:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7 View Post
What do you mean "what about it?"

What kind of entities can afford to pay such money for a speech to be made?
Quote:
Nearly all of her speeches were to organizations like American Camping Association, Ebay, Cisco, Xerox, Cardiovascular Research Foundation, United Fresh Produce Association, International Deli-Dairy-Bakery Association, California Medical Association, A&E Television Networks, Massachusetts Conference for Women, U.S. Green Building Council, National Association of Realtors, American Society of Travel Agents, Gap, National Association of Convenience Stores, the National Association of Chain Drug Stores, Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries, etc.
Quote:
By suggesting that her high speaker fee is "normal" it's almost making the claim that she or no other politician is influenced by their income. If you made $3 million in a year, you'd be concerned about where your sets of $200k are coming from.
No, if you make the majority of your income on paid speeches you're most likely not concerned where your sets of $200k are coming from. Just that you get sufficient of them.
Popmartijn is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 08:29 PM   #633
Blue Crack Addict
 
LuckyNumber7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 18,444
Local Time: 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Popmartijn View Post
No, if you make the majority of your income on paid speeches you're most likely not concerned where your sets of $200k are coming from. Just that you get sufficient of them.

You misinterpreted what I meant. By caring where they come from, I mean that it's not like there's an incredibly high demand for your services. It's not like if she chooses not to do one of those speeches, she has another lined up waiting for her the same day. You take as many as you're offered, because 200k is a significant portion of her income.
LuckyNumber7 is online now  
Old 07-29-2016, 08:56 PM   #634
BVS
Blue Crack Supplier
 
BVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 41,232
Local Time: 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by trojanchick99 View Post
I wonder if Donald is just a huge fan of Game of Thrones and wants to start using ravens to communicate.

Maybe he could consult with Mittens and bring back horses and bayonets while he's at it.


He's making W look smart, holy fuck


Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
BVS is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 09:03 PM   #635
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 18,918
Local Time: 10:12 PM
I think that W at least (usually) had the sense to know he wasn't the brightest bulb and therefore was a puppet to those more intelligent and evil than he was. Had he been born to a regular middle class family, he may not have been a bad guy - would have probably lived an unremarkable life of mediocre success at best in some small-ish town, hosting BBQs for the neighbours and never reading the newspaper.

Trump is worse because he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and has zero hubris. On top of that he has no filter between his brain and his mouth and a horribly thin skin.
anitram is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 09:16 PM   #636
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator
 
Diemen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,663
Local Time: 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by anitram View Post
Trump is worse because he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and has zero hubris. On top of that he has no filter between his brain and his mouth and a horribly thin skin.
Along those lines, at a rally today, he stated that he's "starting to agree with" people chanting lock her up. He said that before he'd been nice, but now the gloves are off.

This from a man who has already brought up her husband's failings and blamed her for them.

He also said that he has the best temperament out of anyone who has ever run because he has "a winning temperament... I've been winning all my life."
Diemen is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 09:22 PM   #637
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Hewson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Your own private Idaho
Posts: 32,036
Local Time: 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diemen View Post

He also said that he has the best temperament out of anyone who has ever run because he has "a winning temperament... I've been winning all my life."
Him and Charlie Sheen.

And look where it got poor old Carlos Estevez.
Hewson is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 09:24 PM   #638
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Polish-American Stronghold PA
Posts: 4,144
Local Time: 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hewson View Post
Him and Charlie Sheen.

And look where it got poor old Carlos Estevez.
Tiger Blood - Adonis DNA
Oregoropa is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 09:30 PM   #639
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Hewson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Your own private Idaho
Posts: 32,036
Local Time: 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oregoropa View Post
Adonis DNA
You have to take Donna out of the equation and slide the s to the end.
Hewson is offline  
Old 07-29-2016, 10:07 PM   #640
Blue Crack Distributor
 
bono_212's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 83,644
Local Time: 06:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diemen View Post
Kaine has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood.

Also, he may be personally for the amendment while not actively working against the Clinton campaign's goals. Kind of like he is personally pro-life but has a 100% rating from Planned Parenthood. You are allowed to hold religious beliefs but also believe in the separation of church and state and the value of not forcing your beliefs onto others in a secular society.

People are allowed shades of gray and nuance in their views.
This post made me happy.
__________________

__________________
bono_212 is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com
×