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Old 07-22-2016, 04:32 PM   #921
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It's entirely dependent on how many Bernie supporters were registered members of the party or independents that always voted with the party...like practically everybody that vote for Clinton in the primaries, those votes were basically always guaranteed to go to the D in November.

But everybody else including people like me that have never been part of the Democratic Party structure? Those are votes that are going to be very tough for her to win. Maybe it's a few million, maybe it's five hundred thousand. Who really knows...picking Kaine is going win over zero new converts and probably even be a detriment all things considered. But at the end of the day, she wants someone who fits her neoliberal politics and can work alongside her. That sure as hell isn't Warren.

I'm so glad it's not Booker. He's a solid guy (watch Street Fight) although he leans heavily on Wall Street, but the issue is pretty freakin' obvious...he's young and he's black. If you're against having political dynasties then you should be damn happy that Clinton didn't pick Booker because he'd win the primaries with ease, even if his sort of politics are further and further removed from the party's center as the years go on. As I said earlier, Kaine ensures that it's a wide open field in 2024.
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Old 07-22-2016, 04:36 PM   #922
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if it is Kaine, it shows that Clinton is going to try and pick off mainstream Republicans, especially women and potentially a few men.

and if she wins VA, it's pretty much over by 9pm. and she should win VA no matter who is the VP pick.

again, barring catastrophe. i just can't imagine that that speech last night -- which, i'm hearing, was lower rated than Mittens 4 years ago -- went over well to anyone who doesn't frequent the comments section of conservative websites.
She won't pick off any of them because they'll be concerned with who is at the top of the ticket. Plus, the neoliberal politics of Kaine and Clinton and their pro-Wall Street stances and money are exactly the sort of thing that Trump can point at and continue to win over the diasffected in the heartland.

She'll win VA with ease, but the election night is not over simply because she wins that state. The trifecta of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida are going to determine everything with Clinton's success in the other swing states dictating how many of that trio she has to win.
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if it is Kaine, it shows that Clinton is going to try and pick off mainstream Republicans, especially women and potentially a few men.

and if she wins VA, it's pretty much over by 9pm. and she should win VA no matter who is the VP pick.

again, barring catastrophe. i just can't imagine that that speech last night -- which, i'm hearing, was lower rated than Mittens 4 years ago -- went over well to anyone who doesn't frequent the comments section of conservative websites.
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She won't pick off any of them because they'll be concerned with who is at the top of the ticket. Plus, the neoliberal politics of Kaine and Clinton and their pro-Wall Street stances and money are exactly the sort of thing that Trump can point at and continue to win over the diasffected in the heartland.

She'll win VA with ease, but the election night is not over simply because she wins that state. The trifecta of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida are going to determine everything with Clinton's success in the other swing states dictating how many of that trio she has to win.
I think you are right about OH, FL, PA
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went over well to anyone who doesn't frequent the comments section of conservative websites.

Those are some of the scariest corners of the internet. Trump won't get accused of plagiarism because no one who knows what that word means can get past the first 5 or 6 without getting nauseous.


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She won't pick off any of them because they'll be concerned with who is at the top of the ticket. Plus, the neoliberal politics of Kaine and Clinton and their pro-Wall Street stances and money are exactly the sort of thing that Trump can point at and continue to win over the diasffected in the heartland.



She'll win VA with ease, but the election night is not over simply because she wins that state. The trifecta of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida are going to determine everything with Clinton's success in the other swing states dictating how many of that trio she has to win.


She's already targeting them, Kaine would only underscore this, not be the draw himself. He's not well known enough to be any sort of incentive. He would reinforce the central message of her candidacy -- we are experienced adults and we know what we are doing. The alternative is unacceptable.

Winning VA would indicate that the ground game is working, indicating that it will work well in the big 3 states.

I also don't think that PA and OH are the dystopic zombie-filled wastelands Trump described last night. It's insulting to think everyone living in these major states is some pissed off lunch pail Joe who wants to fight.
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I don't think winning VA at all is indicative of those others states. It's home to some of the richest people in the country and a lot of DC insiders along with an influx of young, liberal leaning people (the latter point being the same for NC).
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I think Trump needs to win all three to have a chance.

Clinton has more wiggle room.

Let's get to the debates and see what happens


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i know this would never happen, but could hillary theoretically pick bill for vp?
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Hillary just lost 1000s of votes in VA
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I don't think winning VA at all is indicative of those others states. It's home to some of the richest people in the country and a lot of DC insiders along with an influx of young, liberal leaning people (the latter point being the same for NC).


It's still a red state in off election years, when those young liberals in NoVa don't vote because they feel a total disconnect to Richmond. The DC metro area feels more like MD than VA, as once you get past Quantico suddenly it turns into the south.

What VA should tell us is if her ground game is working -- are they turning out the voters they need on the day they need them? Turnout always helps the D, and if they are turning them out in VA, then there's reason to believe they will in other states as well.
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Too bad Kaine and Pence weren't running for the big chair.
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i know this would never happen, but could hillary theoretically pick bill for vp?

There's no precedent for it, but I imagine it's not allowed on the count of term limitations for billy.
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Bill's damaged goods, anyway, what with being on the flight logs for Teen Girl Island and clearly not knowing what's good for the black community as seen in that video of him arguing with BLM protesters. So, Hillary would like the corporate aspect of Bill as a VP, but the racist and sex fiend part of it won't really help her in the campaign.
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Kaine it is
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What a weak choice for VP. If she wasn't running against Trump it would be a whole lot harder to vote for her.
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First women cadidate for President chooses anti-cholce running mate.
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