2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part X

[womanfish]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

But 'fascist' is such an illfitting term, if you want to talk about what you perceive as desire for a strong state (from say, Sanders and Trump supporters, which I'm getting the impression that this is what you're getting at), there are more suitable terms than just referencing a plainly far right political ideology. That's just my standard take.

For what it's worth, I prefer to keep usage of certain terms consistent and relevant. I'm not a fan of 'bending' them to fit a specific context as I think it is somewhat meaningless.

Irvine was making a comment on a specific post about jailing the Clintons. That is a somewhat fascist view, or at least, a view of undemocratic, authoritarian societies.
I agree, throwing that term around over a broad group, especiallyl on the left, is not really applicable.

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by womanfish

Irvine was making a comment on a specific post about jailing the Clintons. That is a somewhat fascist view, or at least, a view of undemocratic, authoritarian societies.
I agree, throwing that term around over a broad group, especiallyl on the left, is not really applicable.

Yeah, I mean - 'authoritarian' is the most appropriate word to use in this instance, in my opinion.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

It's nighttime in America

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Trump just declared that the most love filled convention ever, so I guess we were all wrong.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Yeah, I mean - 'authoritarian' is the most appropriate word to use in this instance, in my opinion.

that's a fair distinction. i'll use that from now on. strongman/authoritarian.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Trump just declared that the most love filled convention ever, so I guess we were all wrong.

when he speaks, he creates reality. it's what the Bush Administration could only ever hope to do.

[phanan]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

I don't know who all here watches Colbert's late night show, but Jon Stewart popped up (for the second time this week), and hoooooooooly shit, he just gave one HELL of a blistering rant that I wish to God we could play over and over and over and over again for the GOP. It was so damn cathartic.

Here it is.

https://youtu.be/mNiqpBNE9ik

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

But 'fascist' is such an illfitting term, if you want to talk about what you perceive as desire for a strong state (from say, Sanders and Trump supporters, which I'm getting the impression that this is what you're getting at), there are more suitable terms than just referencing a plainly far right political ideology. That's just my standard take.

For what it's worth, I prefer to keep usage of certain terms consistent and relevant. I'm not a fan of 'bending' them to fit a specific context as I think it is somewhat meaningless.

calling either sanders or trump fascist is an insult to fascists.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by phanan

Here it is.

https://youtu.be/mNiqpBNE9ik

THIS

This is exactly what I've been saying since the beginning; EVERYTHING they made up about Obama-Trump is.

I know certain people who should have this played on repeat every morning until the election.

Everytime you call Obama divisive and say racism is hyperbole; watch this.

Everytime you claim to be a principled conservative libertarian; watch this.

You just hired everything you claimed to hate just because he's white, has an R by his name, and scapegoats the right color of people.


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[cobl04]

Wish I'd stayed up to date with this thread. Unfortunately I didn't get to see as much of the RNC as I'd have liked to. All worth it for the return of Jon Stewart (and my my, doesn't he look good )

At this point... I still think Hillary wins but it's no lock anymore. 2016 is officially the year that facts began to not matter. The most prescient thing Trump has ever said was the most outrageous thing he's said - "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and I could shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters". It is absolutely true (figuratively, of course, but the point stands).

And thank god for Super Deluxe and Vic Berger. These videos give me life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hzaBHnNI_I

[trojanchick99]

Stewart was fabulous last night. However, he's preaching to the choir.

The part about this election that terrifies me, an urban California Latina, is that there are way more people in this country who would prefer me to not be here, than I thought. There are way more people in this country who would prefer to live in the time of segregation than I thought. It makes me ashamed to be an American to hear the vitriol spouted against immigrants and to know that it's mostly directed at people like me.

If trump is elected, I will be less safe.

[anitram]

I am glad I have people over this afternoon/evening so that I don't have to hear the news about Tim Kaine when it inevitably comes out.

I never thought Warren really stood a chance (wasn't sure she wanted it either) as I've said here but thought one of the other guys may pull through. Becerra in particular does great with crowds and on TV.

Tim Kaine with a spotty abortion record and zero charisma...heaven safe us from him in 8 years.

The Trump convention is really beyond commentary at this point.

[Diemen]

So Elizabeth Warren was also on Colbert last night, and was also very good (I particularly enjoy that the most the democrat most aggressively responding to Trump is a woman - must drive him crazy).

Of note, she mentioned that she'll be speaking on the first night of the convention. To my knowledge, VP nominees have never spoken on the first night.

[trojanchick99]

Originally Posted by anitram

I am glad I have people over this afternoon/evening so that I don't have to hear the news about Tim Kaine when it inevitably comes out.

I never thought Warren really stood a chance (wasn't sure she wanted it either) as I've said here but thought one of the other guys may pull through. Becerra in particular does great with crowds and on TV.

Tim Kaine with a spotty abortion record and zero charisma...heaven safe us from him in 8 years.

The Trump convention is really beyond commentary at this point.

Warren would have been my first choice. My second would be Corey Booker. He's not as experienced, but with Hillary on the top of the ticket, he wouldn't need to be. Kaine is blah.

[BEAL]

I don't think Kaine does anything to sway Bernie voters. Granted a percentage wouldn't come over even if Bernie was the pick, but I feel Hillary loses a chance to get a good amount of those voters that sit on the fence.

She has come out recently with some more progressive ideas, which she obviously took from Bernie, but any of that sway goes out with Kaine.

Of course the argument could be made she's just paying lip service, so wouldn't matter even if Warren was the pick.

The Clintons are smart politicians though, and I think their campaign will be run much, much better than Trumps. So in the end, the VP pick doesn't matter unless it's an idiot like Palin

I still feel this election will be over after the first debate. Hillary knows law/policy, there's no questioning that. It's up to independents to decide if that matters in a debate, or siding with a man who just screams and insults.




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[Dfit00]

Originally Posted by trojanchick99

If trump is elected, I will be less safe.

But you live in a rich area, it doesn't matter!

[iron yuppie]

Originally Posted by trojanchick99

Warren would have been my first choice. My second would be Corey Booker. He's not as experienced, but with Hillary on the top of the ticket, he wouldn't need to be. Kaine is blah.

This would have been the opportune time to take a chance on an up-and-coming politician like Booker, given that this election is in the bag for Clinton (barring some kind of catastrophic misstep on her part). At least I hope I am right about that.

[iron yuppie]

Originally Posted by BEAL

I don't think Kaine does anything to sway Bernie voters. Granted a percentage wouldn't come over even if Bernie was the pick, but I feel Hillary loses a chance to get a good amount of those voters that sit on the fence.

How many Bernie supporters do you really think will hold out from voting for her, though? I know some of them have been really vocal about it, but I don't think that Bernie-or-bust crowd is really all that large. I mean, I voted for Bernie in the primary, but I'll vote for Clinton in the general without even a second thought. Granted that's anecdotal, but I think a more common mentality than Bernie-or-bust.

[deep]

Wall Street Journal weighs in

Sen. Tim Kaine Seen as Clinton’s VP Pick - WSJ


concerned Democrats weigh in

Liberals press Clinton not to pick Kaine for VP | TheHill

[Irvine511]

if it is Kaine, it shows that Clinton is going to try and pick off mainstream Republicans, especially women and potentially a few men.

and if she wins VA, it's pretty much over by 9pm. and she should win VA no matter who is the VP pick.

again, barring catastrophe. i just can't imagine that that speech last night -- which, i'm hearing, was lower rated than Mittens 4 years ago -- went over well to anyone who doesn't frequent the comments section of conservative websites.