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Old 03-21-2016, 04:44 PM   #861
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Just replying to Mrs. G's post. This was back before she was anything more than First Lady and a thorn in Bill's philandering side.


back then, Newt Gingrich thought she was a total B too.

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Just replying to Mrs. G's post. This was back before she was anything more than First Lady and a thorn in Bill's philandering side.
I found your reply very interesting. Appreciate that

It's really no secret that people don't like HRC, no secret at all. She sounds very shrill when she talks, comes off as fake and/or dishonest, even when she barks like a dog.

But seriously though, its of zero surprise to me that people who know her would easily let a comment like "bitch" flow from their lips. I say this as someone who wants to like her so badly, despite the email scandal and various others, and despite the notion that she treats people (especially military - from what i hear again and again) like shit.

And yet here we are...she is the best option...and therefore she has my vote. Isn't 216 like the greatest erection year ever!
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i really hate the use of the word "bitch" to describe a woman in a position of power. or any woman, really.

aren't there other words? no matter how awful this person may or may not be.
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i really hate the use of the word "bitch" to describe a woman in a position of power. or any woman, really.

aren't there other words? no matter how awful this person may or may not be.
Considering all of the Bush = Hitler, TRUMP = Hitler, comparisons that have been made in here throughout the years and even recently, i think "bitch" isn't nearly as bad. But if it makes you feel any better, how about "female dog?"
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i really hate the use of the word "bitch" to describe a woman in a position of power. or any woman, really.

aren't there other words? no matter how awful this person may or may not be.
Agreed.

And honestly, if she fits the definition of one? Good. People expect male presidents to be tough and no-nonsense all the time and have no problem with them acting like total dicks in order to get something done. Hell, that's a large part of why people find Trump so damn appealing right now. Wouldn't it make sense we'd want a female president who could act the same way? Shouldn't Hilary's being a "bitch" be a GOOD thing here? You don't get to play nice when you're president, after all, so I would imagine Hilary's simply playing the game she knows she has to play in order to be taken seriously and get things done.

(I'm not targeting this comment at anyone here, by the way, since I know people are mainly just reiterating what others have said about her. But if Hilary's "bitchiness" is some people's reason why they won't vote for her or why they don't like her, frankly, that's a pretty stupid reason.)
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Considering all of the Bush = Hitler, TRUMP = Hitler, comparisons that have been made in here throughout the years and even recently, i think "bitch" isn't nearly as bad. But if it makes you feel any better, how about "female dog?"
I think the point is more that "bitch" has been co-opted so much by sexist assholes who don't really have any thought behind their stances beyond not liking a woman. Even if you have a very legitimate reason for referring to a woman as a bitch, (1) is that reason really related to her being a woman or is it really just her being an asshole? and (2) it just gets lost in the noise today. How do I know you're actually a thinking person and not just another douchebag who doesn't like it when women disagree with him? It's very hard to distinguish anymore.
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I really think people in the public office, at least, should't use the word "bitch" to describe any women. that's just rude.

As much as I despise Hilary, I wouldn't describe her as shill or whatever people call her to be. I just think that Hilary would just end up just one of those president who's not-so-memorable without that much improvement in the economy or people's lives in general. not that Bernie would drastically change US as a whole but I think it's more likely that he would do at least something to change.

 
Hilary is sly/foxy (in bad way, without any sexual connotation) , not a bitch, I personally think.
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I think the point is more that "bitch" has been co-opted so much by sexist assholes who don't really have any thought behind their stances beyond not liking a woman. Even if you have a very legitimate reason for referring to a woman as a bitch, (1) is that reason really related to her being a woman or is it really just her being an asshole? and (2) it just gets lost in the noise today. How do I know you're actually a thinking person and not just another douchebag who doesn't like it when women disagree with him? It's very hard to distinguish anymore.
Perhaps these people who refer to her as being a bitch could just call her an asshole instead then? I mean why not....i sometimes have called men bitches when they act like it and women assholes when they act like it...maybe that should be the new standard.

I do find it interesting that the term "bitch" has been used quite a bit from people who actually know HRC, which was my point. Not trying to start a sexist discussion, and believe me, im all for electing a woman as POTUS and i have no problem working for a woman in power either.

However a good point was brought up in the post preceding this one, perhaps that's what we need in office, certainly better than a pushover or someone who would be perceived as weak.
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I think it's true that the individual states make out better on the tax revenue side, than the Feds do. It would be an interesting presidential debate topic.
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when used to describe a woman, especially a woman in power, "bitch" really does feel like a slur to me. likely because it's a word -- like other slurs -- used to denigrate the individual and reassert patriarchy, and has a history of violence attached to it.

and, like most other slurs, it isn't only that. it has been reclaimed by women, used to describe men, is also a verb, etc. it's function as a slur depends on context.

however, in this context, when describing Hillary Clinton back in the 1990s, calling her a "bitch" feels like a slur. i'm sure we weren't as aware of the power of language back then as we are today, and maybe she was/is an awful, unbearable person. but it still feels like a derogatory term employed on the basis of gender.

i'm not saying that anyone doesn't have ample cause for disliking Hillary, or that they haven't witnessed poor behavior on her part. there are many reasons to dislike Hillary without calling upon that word to sum it all up. that's really all. it's a broad point.

fwiw, i have a friend who works in the State Department who spent time with her in Africa. he was very, very impressed by her.

and, fwiw, i've heard John Kerry is basically unbearable as an actual human being.

and Bernie Sanders is mean to his staff.

and Trump? great to his employees. gracious, courteous, and a big tipper.
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i'm not saying that anyone doesn't have ample cause for disliking Hillary, or that they haven't witnessed poor behavior on her part. there are many reasons to dislike Hillary without calling upon that word to sum it all up. that's really all. it's a broad point.
That's fine. On the other hand, there's probably not a day that goes by that I do not post something along the lines of "Fuck Ted Cruz". Not exactly a slur, but really nobody ever bats an eye to that. I find him disgusting, but in reality i don't know him.

And then a couple of days ago we had this:

http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post8057457

I can understand how it might seem refreshing to have someone who doesn't give a shit what people think of him. And you know, thank you, Mr. Trump, for making it easy to see what a giant asshole you are, rather than hiding it behind a politician's polished sheen.

But I simply cannot bear the idea of having a president who, every time he opens his mouth, makes me say out loud "Christ, what an asshole."

(Or "OH, FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE," which is honestly what I say whenever he opens his mouth now.)



And you know, it's business as usual, of course. So if we want to draw the line at the word "BITCH", maybe we shouldn't just stop there when talking about people we really don't know personally. Make sense...or are double-standards better than no standards at all?


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fwiw, i have a friend who works in the State Department who spent time with her in Africa. he was very, very impressed by her.
See this is the type of thing i want to hear more of. Honestly.
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I think it's true that the individual states make out better on the tax revenue side, than the Feds do. It would be an interesting presidential debate topic.
Pennsylvania does not, which is insane. We can't fund our schools but we let natural gas drillers walk all over us and pollute our rural towns free of charge. The GOP got a lot of people elected on the dime of those drillers, though, so they had zero incentive to make the necessary changes. Hopefully Tom Wolf can get something done.
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That's fine. On the other hand, there's probably not a day that goes by that I do not post something along the lines of "Fuck Ted Cruz". Not exactly a slur, but really nobody ever bats an eye to that. I find him disgusting, but in reality i don't know him.



And then a couple of days ago we had this:



http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post8057457



I can understand how it might seem refreshing to have someone who doesn't give a shit what people think of him. And you know, thank you, Mr. Trump, for making it easy to see what a giant asshole you are, rather than hiding it behind a politician's polished sheen.



But I simply cannot bear the idea of having a president who, every time he opens his mouth, makes me say out loud "Christ, what an asshole."



(Or "OH, FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE," which is honestly what I say whenever he opens his mouth now.)






And you know, it's business as usual, of course. So if we want to draw the line at the word "BITCH", maybe we shouldn't just stop there when talking about people we really don't know personally. Make sense...or are double-standards better than no standards at all?









See this is the type of thing i want to hear more of. Honestly.

I think the point trying to be made is the"bitch" is for the most part gender specific. Even when using it towards a man, Ted Cruz is acting like a little bitch, you're usually trying to attack his masculinity and using the feminine as an insult. When you're saying "fuck Ted Cruz" none of that's based on him being a male.

I don't think it's always used as a slur, but how often is it used to attack women in politics or business for something that wouldn't be thought twice about if it was a man?


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I think the point trying to be made is the"bitch" is for the most part gender specific. Even when using it towards a man, Ted Cruz is acting like a little bitch, you're usually trying to attack his masculinity and using the feminine as an insult. When you're saying "fuck Ted Cruz" none of that's based on him being a male.

I don't think it's always used as a slur, but how often is it used to attack women in politics or business for something that wouldn't be thought twice about if it was a man?
That's my exact problem with it. Much like the word pussy is used. Gendered insults demean women, even when used against men.
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So the people who have been calling Hillary the b-word instead need to start calling her a Dick, penis, or mangina?
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So the people who have been calling Hillary the b-word instead need to start calling her a Dick, penis, or mangina?

Well is she being a jerk, or just doing something they feel a woman shouldn't do?


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I try to avoid the gendered insults (which is sometimes difficult, because "dick" is such a handy insult). Asshole works great, because everyone has one.

But on the other hand:

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Beats me, you have to ask the folks who are calling her the b-word.

For the folks who feel so inclined to do such a thing, should they have a particular word they can use towards women that doesn't get them labeled as a person who is insulting her gender?

Or does the woman in question deserve a free pass because....she's a woman?

It seems to me that alone would be insulting of her gender, if you think about it. She's tough, she's not running for dog catcher in Arkansas, she is running for leader of the free world. Every person before her has had everything to include the kitchen sink thrown at them, why should this person be any different. Politics is a very ugly game and TRUMP! is not going to play nice at all. He has already shown that - and his supporters - yeah we've seen what they can do.

Having said all of that, of course, i don't particularly like the word "bitch" when used maliciously or in any way other than playfully between friends. Or like Jesse on Breaking Bad, "Magnets Bitch!". Thats how i would use it. So if someone calls someone else a "bitch" and they really really mean it, well, it makes me wonder about all parties involved.
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