2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part V

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I've reconsidered my evaluation of him as a fascist in recent times.

I'm not sure what made you feel the need to reconsider this.


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[Vlad n U 2]

It's not so much that he's suddenly become less reprehensible in my view, far from it, more so a reevaluation of what he really is. I try not to use fascism as a descriptor for every far-right position, generally.

 

[nbelcik]

Sanders is a modern day FDR, Trump is a modern day George Wallace.


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Sanders is a modern day FDR

slow down

 

[deep]

Today's college education only qualifies people to be Uber drivers

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I wasn't referring to so much how their campaigns are financed, but more so their respective positions on the political compass relative to the other candidates. In the sense that they're both represented as "extremes" by centrists/Clinton supporters - in which, I can still understand in Trump's case although I've reconsidered my evaluation of him as a fascist in recent times.

We get it. You're sooooo much more far left than Bernie Sanders.

At some point, you're just going to have to get over it and accept the fact that, for the U.S., he's pretty far left. Noticeably so, versus the norm.

 

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Vlad brings an international perspective, ok
We have posters in here from Canada and Australia, again ok, their life experiences influence their opinions, again good, more discussion from various points of view.

 

[Mack_Again]

Today's college education only qualifies people to be Uber drivers

I'm qualified to be modern slave in labs, I hope after graduating college.

 

[nbelcik]

slow down

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/bernie-sanderss-new-deal-socialism


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[bono_212]

Vlad brings an international perspective, ok
We have posters in here from Canada and Australia, again ok, their life experiences influence their opinions, again good, more discussion from various points of view.

I would just like more conversation and less talking down to people/short quips.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Vlad brings an international perspective, ok
We have posters in here from Canada and Australia, again ok, their life experiences influence their opinions, again good, more discussion from various points of view.

Yeah? I get that. That doesn't mean he has to pretend like he just 'doesn't get it'. He gets it just fine. It's just a condescending eye roll to make a point about how Americans aren't left enough. We get it.

 

[Irvine511]

the political calculus i'm seeing is that Obama will choose someone hugely sympathetic to the Democratic base. so when the GOP lights itself on fire to oppose the nominee, that will spark the needed outrage to drive critical demographics to the polls and increase electoral turnout which should then all but guarantee a D victory in November and cement O's forever reputation.

 

[Bluer White]

Sanders supporters revolt against superdelegates - POLITICO

Bernie Sanders lost by a hair in Iowa and won by a landslide in New Hampshire. Yet Hillary Clinton has amassed an enormous 350-delegate advantage over the Vermont senator after just two states.

Clinton has superdelegate edge in Nevada and South Carolina | TheHill

Hillary Clinton has already locked up half the Democratic superdelegates in Nevada and South Carolina before the first votes are cast in either state.

The former secretary of State has won public support from half of South Carolina’s six superdelegates and three of Nevada’s eight superdelegates. Bernie Sanders has secured only one, a Democratic national committeewoman from Nevada.

Is this noteworthy? Seems to be a discouraging process if you're not considered the top dog.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Clinton didn't "pick up" 350 delegates more than Sanders did in Iowa and New Hampshire. Those states don't have that many delegates. I wish people would stop citing that number. Those are unpledged DNC members who have given their votes to Clinton. Those include tons and tons of DNC members from virtually every state. And they're not official, even if all but guaranteed. At the moment, Clinton leads 45-36.

 

[Irvine511]

it's noteworthy insofar as it gives the Sanderistas something else to be outraged about.

from that same Hill article:

While the majority of superdelegates are backing Clinton, they are free to change their minds up until their votes are cast at the nominating conventions. That’s what happened in 2008 as it became clear that Barack Obama could challenge and ultimately defeat Clinton.

it's how the Dems have operated since that big old mess in 1968. if Sanders wins, he'll win the superdelegates as well.

 

[BVS]

http://www.politicalresearch.org/20...igious-freedom/#sthash.2zxqMYL0.zBwM8nAJ.dpuf

Someone asked why Cruz is hated, here's a good place to start.


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[LuckyNumber7]

it's noteworthy insofar as it gives the Sanderistas something else to be outraged about.

from that same Hill article:



it's how the Dems have operated since that big old mess in 1968. if Sanders wins, he'll win the superdelegates as well.

Exactly. It's frustrating to see this circulating on the internet about how you're supposed to be mad at the system when and only when it favors your cause.

Bernie is the "outsider" with a youthful support. And of course that means ignorance is about. It's great fodder and click bait to buy into the idea that he's trailing Clinton as far as he is, and that's why you need to be politically energized.

 

[BVS]

And apparently Trump doubles down on suing Cruz today


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[Bluer White]

it's noteworthy insofar as it gives the Sanderistas something else to be outraged about.

from that same Hill article:



it's how the Dems have operated since that big old mess in 1968. if Sanders wins, he'll win the superdelegates as well.

It's an interesting way to operate, anyhow.

Is your Sanderista label equivalent to a Bushbot, or a Clintonista?

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Sounds like a drink with a little umbrella in it.

I'll have a Sanderista, please.

 

[Oregoropa]

I thought BernieBros was the new common nomenclature

 

[Bluer White]

Sounds like a drink with a little umbrella in it.

I'll have a Sanderista, please.

Probably a Stolichnaya vodka cocktail.

Just kidding

 

[LuckyNumber7]

I thought BernieBros was the new common nomenclature

That's what the antisemitic Clintonistas call the sexist Sanderistas.

 

[Oregoropa]

That's what the antisemitic Clintonistas call the sexist Sanderistas.

Sanderwitzells

 

[Mrs. Garrison]

Fuck Ted Cruz

 

[Vlad n U 2]

We get it. You're sooooo much more far left than Bernie Sanders.

At some point, you're just going to have to get over it and accept the fact that, for the U.S., he's pretty far left. Noticeably so, versus the norm.

Yeah? I get that. That doesn't mean he has to pretend like he just 'doesn't get it'. He gets it just fine. It's just a condescending eye roll to make a point about how Americans aren't left enough. We get it.

Yeah, honestly, I don't get the aggression(?) of your response at all. I thought we were having a decent enough start to a discussion and there's really no need to assume I'm intent on being condescending at all.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

I would just like more conversation and less talking down to people/short quips.

Short quips is 75% of this board.

 

[Headache in a Suitcase]

http://www.politicalresearch.org/20...igious-freedom/#sthash.2zxqMYL0.zBwM8nAJ.dpuf

Someone asked why Cruz is hated, here's a good place to start.


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Seriously. Fuck this guy.

 

[Axver]

Yeah, honestly, I don't get the aggression(?) of your response at all. I thought we were having a decent enough start to a discussion and there's really no need to assume I'm intent on being condescending at all.

Plus you're not wrong. What those on the American right often label as far left is not so by any reasonable definition. This isn't exclusive to America either - we see it here in Australia too - but it seems particularly common and exaggerated in American politics.

The reverse happens far less often because of the global ascendancy of the right in recent decades. Rather than the left accusing centre-right politicians of being fringe extremists, the reality is that some positions today held by the moderate right were not viewed as moderate some twenty years ago.

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Yeah, honestly, I don't get the aggression(?) of your response at all. I thought we were having a decent enough start to a discussion and there's really no need to assume I'm intent on being condescending at all.

You've made clear your political leanings in the past. You've made clear that you don't think Bernie Sanders is a socialist (he's not). But you've made a point about it, again and again. I don't think you're just oblivious. You're very well informed.