2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part V

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Haha. I mean, in all fairness, even though Ted Cruz is legitimately scarier than Donald Trump, Donald Trump is more worth being ashamed of and leaving the country. George W. Bush isn't worth picking up your bags and leaving. Donald Trump is a manipulator and an actor, and he's acting like a racist, xenophobic pig and it's working. That's definite grounds to actually be ashamed.

Yeah, exactly. That's why I'm trying to kinda emphasize the fact that I'm not joking around.

Originally Posted by trojanchick99

As an American, I am ashamed that so many of my fellow citizens have bought into a campaign fueled by hate and fear. I'd move to Canada but as a native Californian, I don't tolerate cold well.

I truly hope that if Trump wins the nomination, whatever is left of the moderate Republican party jumps ship and forms their own third party.

And THIS, is really the bottom of the situation for me, right here. The damage is done. I'm troubled to the core by this election cycle, and you can't really go back, now. There are this many people supporting him, and that won't change.

[clerks]

Trump is mostly acting. Real crazy people already in congress blocking Supreme Court nominee. Cruz is true one to watch out for btw. Should be happy trump is taking out the R nuts from within. Hillary vs trump and she should win 69% of vote.


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[Hewson]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

If anyone read my earlier post from my district representative's email... we've got another golden one in the inbox:

I hope you clicked "Chip in $250"

[Irvine511]

If Cruz underperformes on Super Tuesday, expect an exodus of big names to Rubio.

Everyone hates him anyway.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by deep

To call this guy the GOP Obama is an insult.
I'd like to see him chase a chicken down a Kenyan trail for his dinner.

You never cease to amaze

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Hewson

I hope you clicked "Chip in $250"

I *did* vote for him in 2012.

[cobl04]

When's the next GOP debate? I'd like to watch.

It is starting to get scary now. I think I'd prefer to see Trump the nominee/POTUS over Cruz just because he's a fucking moron with nothing aside from words. Cruz is as evil but actually has political nous and is able to outline policy outside of "we need to build a wall" or "shut down the internet". He's also more evangelical (has a huge lead over Trump with evangelicals in Texas).

I'd take Rubio over both. Fuck Carson, he seems like he's stupider than Trump. Kasich, that'd be my pick.

Just hoping that Bernie can somehow defy all the odds. Something about Hilary Clinton is really smarmy/robotic/dangerous/unnerving to me. But fuck she'd be a hell of a lot better than any GOP bloke.

[gump]

I missed the earlier discussion, but here are my two cents (or, more like it, two dimes) as a half-outsider (a foreigner that has lived here for 7 years). Way too many people in this country are deluding themselves thinking Donald Trump is a so-far-out-of-the-mainstream aberration in US political culture, that was propelled to where he is because of a disgruntled, uneducated minority. But step away and look at it from some distance, and it's harder to see the differences in some of the core beliefs of a Donald Trump and (i) most other Republicans, or even in many areas, (ii) the general public at large.

On (i): as much as centrists would like to think that there is still such a thing as a financially conservative, socially moderate Republics with at least some reasonable ideas, this ship has long sailed. Don't go any further than John Kasich - supposedly the logical, moderate, almost liberal Republican in this race. Or, if you want, think of John McCain: the guy was for so many years portrayed as a centrist, willing to cross the aisle, ran a ridiculously mean campaign and picked Sarah fucking Palin for his ticket. People have to accept that the Republic party is basically a science-denying, mildly-xenophobic, misogynistic group of people who also happen to be quite disdainful of minorities, uncharitable to the poor and ridiculously unaware of proper foreign policy.

On (ii), and perhaps the thing that in my view is not properly addressed: a number of ideas that would be seen with a lot of suspicion in most of the (democratic) world are actually part of the political culture. "Make America Great Again" is not a Trump thing. It's deeply rooted in the idea of American exceptionalism that is so obnoxious for most people around the world (and the lack of humility it engenders). The over-militarized approach to everything from the Super Bowl to law enforcement. These things are shared across most of the political spectrum, really.

In sum: Donald Trump is not an aberration. He's just more theatrical than most, but he might even be even more centrist than most Republicans. He just happens to represent a brand of populism mixed with ignorance that is actually more common than people are willing to admit. Donald Trump is Charles Barkley in politics.

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by cobl04

When's the next GOP debate? I'd like to watch.
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I think its tomorrow

[trojanchick99]

In Texas so I'm sure it will devolve into an old fashioned shootout.

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[cobl04]

Gump

Originally Posted by gump

"Make America Great Again" is not a Trump thing. It's deeply rooted in the idea of American exceptionalism that is so obnoxious for most people around the world (and the lack of humility it engenders). The over-militarized approach to everything from the Super Bowl to law enforcement.

This x1000000.

[Mack_Again]

I don't feel this Trump thing all that new as his "larger than life" personality has been a thing for long time and we're used to seeing Donald saying insane garbage.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by Mack_Again

I don't feel this Trump thing all that new as his "larger than life" personality has been a thing for long time and we're used to seeing Donald saying insane garbage.

This. He's always been an obnoxious loudmouth, so that's not surprising to me.

What is surprising to me is that people didn't see his campaign for the joke it clearly was supposed to be when he first ran and are actually keeping the damn thing going, and actually seeing him as someone who should legitimately be our next president. I just do not get that line of thinking. At all.

I mean, I get the whole "outside the mainstream" fervor that a lot of people are having nowadays...but this is not the kind of "outside the mainstream" thing we should be going for.

Also, I'm from the U.S. and I wholeheartedly agree that the "RAH RAH AMERICA IS #1!" rhetoric is ridiculously over the top. I love my country and I'm proud of all the good things we have done, or are doing, but there's ways to express that pride and support without being obnoxious about it. And the arrogance that we have all the answers to everything, and don't need to listen to or learn from our allies, is absurd, too.

[BVS]

http://flavorwire.com/537887/who-sai...sident-camacho




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[Mack_Again]

I kinda hate the fact that Donald talking in public and Donald on twitter are virtually same person.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Mack_Again

I kinda hate the fact that Donald talking in public and Donald on twitter are virtually same person.

Pretty much everyone hates that Donald Trump is talking in public, period. Except his supporters, and they're only listening to the dog whistles.


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[deep]

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/25/im_n...na_fundraiser/

[Oregoropa]

Cobbler. Debate on Cnn tonight at 9 pm est


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[Oregoropa]

Hillary is not a superpredator. Unless she goes full Beastmode.



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[Jeannieco]

Popping in here from lurking. Did anyone read this article by Matt Taibbi posted yesterday in Rolling Stone? It's a very astute analysis of the entire political field and what's happening with Trump. I found it both hilarious and frightening because of the conclusion. Sorry if it was posted here already, I didn't see it. https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...pable-20160224