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Old 02-12-2016, 10:56 AM   #201
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I think her supporters would probably applaud Hillary slightly moving to the left. I don't think Sanders would feel the same if he would move towards the center. I think they would feel quite betrayed.

We've already seen that in here. Apparently real progressives don't compromise.

And I think this is where Irvine was trying to draw the comparisons to the Tea Party, they both have the unrealistic notion of uncompromising.

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Is it actually ironic? I don't think Donald Trump "lies" in the same sense that Ted Cruz does. Trump just says anything. It's not really the same as lying. It's more like making things up.
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We've already seen that in here. Apparently real progressives don't compromise.

And I think this is where Irvine was trying to draw the comparisons to the Tea Party, they both have the unrealistic notion of uncompromising.

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I get the comparison to the Tea Party, but I think it's a bit off. I think this Bernie movement is akin to Ron Paul's libertarian youthful uprising during his two runs. Try telling a Paul supporter that Ted Cruz is libertarian. They'll scoff and say "Ted Cruz is a Goldman Sacha puppet."

So, the common denominator there is their sincerity and honesty of their candidacies. Many people who supported Paul, surprisingly have reached way across the spectrum in support of Bernie. Go read Paul's Facebook page and see... whenever he criticizes Bernie, his own followers always suggest that Paul and Bernie are somehow alike because they don't accept big dollar.

Ultimately, I think that's why you see an unrelenting "far left." It's not because it's the left equivalent to the tea party. It's because it's an admiration of honesty and sincerity that can create a cult-like following, regardless of content.
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Is it actually ironic? I don't think Donald Trump "lies" in the same sense that Ted Cruz does. Trump just says anything. It's not really the same as lying. It's more like making things up.

I was more referring to the reply from the pro-Trump person. They said that they could see straight through Cruz's "fake Christianity". Yet, they can't see through Trump's blatant and insulting pandering of evangelicals.


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Just to clarify -- I don't think that the Berners/Bernie Bros/Sanderistinas are the equivalent of the Tea Party. I'm just noticing some similarities and positing that we could be witnessing the birth of something that could become a left version of the TP.
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Just to clarify -- I don't think that the Berners/Bernie Bros/Sanderistinas are the equivalent of the Tea Party. I'm just noticing some similarities and positing that we could be witnessing the birth of something that could become a left version of the TP.

Could it succeed in being unified in the way that Occupy Wall Street failed?


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Well Trump has the endorsement of David Duke and Neo-Nazi groups, and Cruz has the endorsement of this asshole:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/cruz-de...-to-hunt-jews/


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Trump and his supporters are dumb.

Cruz and his are dangerous.
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Why do people hate Cruz so much?


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Just to clarify -- I don't think that the Berners/Bernie Bros/Sanderistinas are the equivalent of the Tea Party. I'm just noticing some similarities and positing that we could be witnessing the birth of something that could become a left version of the TP.
I think the left is far, far away from finding an answer to the Tea Party, because the only reason the Tea Party was able to gain traction was down ballot. While I understand your point about demanding ideological purity (and your point has made me question some things I've been reading that I wasn't questioning before), this is so largely concentrated on just the presidential election that I don't see it really being a left version of the Tea Party.
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I can't really find any reasons to like any Republican candidates.
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Why do people hate Cruz so much?
For starters, he's a social conservative, which is more or less deplorable in 2016. He's for the death penalty, he's anti-choice, he's anti-gay rights. He blamed the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, which was a direct result of the lies spread by Carly Fiorina and her ilk, on Democrats somehow.

Economically, he's just as bad. He is for a flat tax, which is insane. He was anti-net neutrality, which is like arguing that utilities shouldn't be regulated. He pejoratively calls climate change science "a religion," which is hilarious coming from a religious zealot like him.

I could keep going, and I've already mentioned that he's from nearly all accounts a terrible person (recall that he told a college classmate whose mother had an abortion that her mother was a whore who was going to hell), but those are just a few of the many reasons why. He is the worst candidate for President in a field filled with horrible candidates.
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For starters, he's a social conservative, which is more or less deplorable in 2016. He's for the death penalty, he's anti-choice, he's anti-gay rights. He blamed the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, which was a direct result of the lies spread by Carly Fiorina and her ilk, on Democrats somehow.

Economically, he's just as bad. He is for a flat tax, which is insane. He was anti-net neutrality, which is like arguing that utilities shouldn't be regulated. He pejoratively calls climate change science "a religion," which is hilarious coming from a religious zealot like him.

I could keep going, and I've already mentioned that he's from nearly all accounts a terrible person (recall that he told a college classmate whose mother had an abortion that her mother was a whore who was going to hell), but those are just a few of the many reasons why. He is the worst candidate for President in a field filled with horrible candidates.

Well, I agree with him on all those issues. That's probably why I support him.


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Well, I agree with him on all those issues. That's probably why I support him.


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Well, I agree with him on all those issues. That's probably why I support him.


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Better question is why do you not hate him, too?

I thought Republicans hated religious extremists.
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Better question is why do you not hate him, too?

I thought Republicans hated religious extremists.

By FYM standards, I would be considered a religious extremist.



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Guys, Heidi Cruz says her husband is going to "show America the face of God."
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Guys, Heidi Cruz says her husband is going to "show America the face of God."
didn't she say that he's gonna make US theocracy based on Christianity? it's getting insane
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