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Old 06-10-2016, 05:19 PM   #761
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This is incredibly rich given the outright dismissiveness with which anything other than full support for Clinton has been treated in this forum.
i know, right? i don't see where this "we don't necessarily support clinton wholeheartedly" thing comes from. maybe i just have a bad memory (no sass, this is possible) or i'm just not paying attention.
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Old 06-10-2016, 05:20 PM   #762
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The middle left will push us further to the left than the far left ever will. This isn't some small European country. It takes time and compromise. Anything else is ideological pipe dream bullshit.
Holy hell, do you really not see the contradiction in espousing compromise in one sentence and then referencing "ideological pipe dream bullshit" in the next?
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Old 06-10-2016, 05:36 PM   #763
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Holy hell, do you really not see the contradiction in espousing compromise in one sentence and then referencing "ideological pipe dream bullshit" in the next?
No, I don't.

If you are only willing to see your side of a certain ideology, then you're not willing to compromise. So yea, no.
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Compromise doesn't mean "hey, we just got our asses kicked and in no way represent the greater good of the party, but want our policies met wholly... or else!"

Compromise is "hey, maybe the majority wants this instead of what we want. But what about this this and this on exchange for that to bring us somewhat close together? Great, thanks for compromising!"
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I can understand concerns from those on the left about trying to compromise with those on the right, because we've all seen how utterly resistant (to put it mildly) the Republican Party has been to even try and compromise with Obama on virtually ANYTHING during the entire time he's been president. There's no question that whomever won the Democratic nomination would have an uphill battle ahead trying to work with them.

But it seems some Bernie supporters (speaking in a general sense, from my own experience online) aren't even willing to try and find areas of compromise with Hilary, and that I don't get. Yeah, she may not fit someone's specific definition of a true "liberal" or "progressive", but the fact remains that she IS on the Democratic side, and works for that party, and HAS supported things that people on the left do support (as some people here have already pointed out in thorough detail). And I'm pretty confident if people on the left make it abundantly clear to her that issues x, y, and z are the most important ones that deserve attention and action, she will follow suit and do what she can to push through legislation supporting them.

It's going to be even harder to figure out how to deal with an uncompromising right when the left is struggling to find compromise within its own ranks. I think it's worth at least giving her the chance to prove she's genuinely willing to listen to what liberals/progressives want, and I feel some people aren't all that keen on letting her try. I get that her past is concerning to a lot of people on the left, and understandably so, but if we were going to dismiss every single politician who might prove helpful in some way, shape, or form, because of how they voted on an issue in the past or where their money's going, we'd have, like, nobody left to vote for.

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In fact, I've felt like I've had to qualify and explain away my gathering support for HRC, if only to avoid "YOU'VE ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND AND DID YEARS AGO JUST LIKE THE MEDIA WHY WONT YOU ADMIT SHE'S UNLIKEABLE YOU ARENT HONEST IF YOU WONT ADMIT THAT."
Exactly. I have no problem with the fact people support Bernie, I totally get why he holds appeal for people, and I like the guy as well. I agree with his stances, and I appreciate the idealism and hope his campaign has inspired in people. I like seeing people genuinely enthused and passionate like this, and I hope the enthusiasm and passion he's inspired carries over to getting some really good policy and legislation passed, be it on a local, state, or federal level.

But he didn't win the nomination. Hilary did. And I'm going to support her. That doesn't mean I automatically agree with every single thing she's said or done, that doesn't mean I think she's the best Democratic candidate we've ever had, that doesn't mean I can't understand why some people are wary of her.

But I'm sure as hell NOT voting for Trump, not voting at all is not an option to me, and I don't want to write in a third-party candidate. And I believe she's got the experience and knowledge necessary to do the job, and won't drive our country into the ground. I don't care if she's "unlikable", I don't care if she's a "bitch", I don't care if she's had her awkward public moments, etc., etc. I just want her to do her job and try and fight on behalf of the issues I care about, and so long as she can do that, we're good.
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Compromise doesn't mean "hey, we just got our asses kicked and in no way represent the greater good of the party, but want our policies met wholly... or else!"

Compromise is "hey, maybe the majority wants this instead of what we want. But what about this this and this on exchange for that to bring us somewhat close together? Great, thanks for compromising!"

Your shilling for Clinton is getting nauseating.


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I don't care if she's had her awkward public moments.
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i know, right? i don't see where this "we don't necessarily support clinton wholeheartedly" thing comes from. maybe i just have a bad memory (no sass, this is possible) or i'm just not paying attention.


Do you support Clinton "wholeheartedly" against Donald Trump?

Because that's our reality from now until November.
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Your shilling for Clinton is getting nauseating.
Thanks for making my point about dismissiveness. You're just as unwilling to entertain the possibility you might not have everything figured out as those you deride for the same thing.
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Thanks for making my point about dismissiveness. You're just as unwilling to entertain the possibility you might not have everything figured out as those you deride for the same thing.

Let me get this straight; I make a joke about how several now have come in here and accused us of being some die hard in the camp for Clinton when many have expressed over and over this is a lesser of two evils vote for them, and you somehow got that I'm being dismissive and have everything figured out?




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Thanks for making my point about dismissiveness. You're just as unwilling to entertain the possibility you might not have everything figured out as those you deride for the same thing.
I actually do agree with iron yuppie that there's been a sort of annoying dismissiveness/smugness at certain times here that if you're a more disengaged poster you notice. Now sure some of it is in response to BMP's stereotypical posts almost to the point of satire, but at other times it's kind of tiring.
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We should add a poll to the next thread.

That will go over swimmingly.
Just put the poll up in FYM. No big surprise, Hillary is winning.

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Thanks for making my point about dismissiveness. You're just as unwilling to entertain the possibility you might not have everything figured out as those you deride for the same thing.
Just so I know what I'm dealing with here... crazy old guy or orange racist mutant?
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