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Old 06-09-2016, 12:27 PM   #681
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I'm sorry, are you defending the Clinton Foundation and acting like it's RWNJ who are the only ones who take issue with it?
No, i completely expect it from RWNJ's. But for fellow liberals to use the - throw any shit at the wall and see what sticks, tactic toward Clinton is quite disappointing. I'm saying that this random, throw out an insinuation about the clinton foundation, and let the rumors swirl thing, is just stupid.

Is there credible evidence that Clinton made secret deals with people, as SOS, based on contributions to the foundation? No. just speculation.

It's the same tactic used over and over again against her.

This is a foundation that has saved hundreds of thousands of lives around the world, and bettered millions more.
It's Rated A, by CharityWatch - with 88% of funds going straight to help people.

So yeah, i think its a good thing. And I think until some actual evidence of some wrong-doing were to be presented, I believe she is professional enough to seperate her work as SOS, and her involvement with the charity.
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25 years?
Come on.
She wasn't the most admired woman in the world in 1991, or 1997 or anything like that.
Actually she was.

From Gallup:

Clinton Named Most Admired More Than Any Other Woman or Man

Clinton has been the most admired woman each of the last 14 years, and 20 times overall, occupying the top spot far longer than any other woman or man in Gallup's history of asking the most admired question. Since 1993, the year she was first named most admired woman, Clinton has stayed in the news as first lady, U.S. senator, secretary of state and a two-time presidential candidate.
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So what i get from this answer is that it would most likely lead to more compromise. Which you're right, is not always a bad thing. This is funny, because the people beating their chest for more parties, are the ones that are also beating their chest about NO compromise.
It doesn't quite work like that because you have to keep in mind whom you are compromising with. These are things to keep in mind in a multiparty system:

1. Typically you are compromising with "your own side" or possibly somebody centrist, not the other side of the aisle. For example, say the Dems split into mainstream (Hillary) and progressive (Bernie) and the GOP split into the mainstream (Jeb Bush/Rubio/Ryan, etc) and Tea Party (Cruz, possibly Trump though who the hell knows who his constituency is). Generally the left-leaning parties would come together to compromise as would the right leaning. If you have a 5th party with few seats, like the Greens or Libertarians, they may be kingmaker.

2. In the current system there is no need to compromise because every 2/4/6 years depending on the seat you have to run an election campaign. So digging in your heels is actually a way to save your own hide. In a multiparty system, a government can fall in the blink of an eye if they are uncompromising or trying to shove through an agenda that nobody else agrees with. So the majority party has a reason to compromise. And the other parties also have incentive to compromise because it gives them an opportunity to bring about an election on their terms, when they want it and when they think it would be the most advantageous to them.
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Actually she was.

From Gallup:

Clinton Named Most Admired More Than Any Other Woman or Man

Clinton has been the most admired woman each of the last 14 years, and 20 times overall, occupying the top spot far longer than any other woman or man in Gallup's history of asking the most admired question. Since 1993, the year she was first named most admired woman, Clinton has stayed in the news as first lady, U.S. senator, secretary of state and a two-time presidential candidate.
So what you're saying is she's the female Bono. Adored and despised at the same time
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Actually she was.

From Gallup:

Clinton Named Most Admired More Than Any Other Woman or Man

Clinton has been the most admired woman each of the last 14 years, and 20 times overall, occupying the top spot far longer than any other woman or man in Gallup's history of asking the most admired question. Since 1993, the year she was first named most admired woman, Clinton has stayed in the news as first lady, U.S. senator, secretary of state and a two-time presidential candidate.
And this was a world wide poll as you claim? Or is it just a US poll? Kind of a bit of a difference.
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And this was a world wide poll as you claim? Or is it just a US poll? Kind of a bit of a difference.
No, it's an American poll.

Also rather silly given that Trump came in #3 for most admired man (after Obama and the Pope).
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No, i completely expect it from RWNJ's. But for fellow liberals to use the - throw any shit at the wall and see what sticks, tactic toward Clinton is quite disappointing. I'm saying that this random, throw out an insinuation about the clinton foundation, and let the rumors swirl thing, is just stupid.

Yeah, it's annoying. Facts be damned with these people, they are of the same fabric as the far right; it doesn't matter the source if they can find a poll, rumor, meme, racist rhetoric, etc. as long as it's attacking Hillary it's fair game. That particular poster admitted it was just rumor but now that Bernie has lost he's stated it as fact twice.


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So what you're saying is she's the female Bono. Adored and despised at the same time
Amazing. For weeks, I've been thinking of posting about this. Clinton is very much the U2 of politics. Once more edgy, but always popular. Cares way too much about what people think and would be much better served to just relax and be herself.
And yes, loved by one group. Considered blah by another group of people, and hated by the rest.

Sanders is? Radiohead?
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Sanders is? Radiohead?

Very good, often vague, but extremely overrated.

Yeah, that sounds about right.


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Amazing. For weeks, I've been thinking of posting about this. Clinton is very much the U2 of politics. Once more edgy, but always popular. Cares way too much about what people think and would be much better served to just relax and be herself.
And yes, loved by one group. Considered blah by another group of people, and hated by the rest.

Sanders is? Radiohead?
Intriguing at first but then gets so far up his own ass that nobody gives a shit anymore, unless you do, in which case you REEEEEALLY give a shit?

I can see it.
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Bernie supporters don't even want to vote for a liberal for president.
Again, she is not a liberal.
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Again, she is not a liberal.
Nope. She's a Vulcan
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Again, she is not a liberal.
That's right. Even at her likely her most conservative, she was the 11th most liberal Senator. Voted with Bernie 93% of the time, and several times those different votes were her voting to the left of bernie on guns and immigration.

But you keep on believing the story that's been fed to you
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Intriguing at first but then gets so far up his own ass that nobody gives a shit anymore, unless you do, in which case you REEEEEALLY give a shit?

I can see it.
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11th most liberal Senator is pretty meaningless. She voted for no child left behind, the Iraq War, etc.

Most elected Democrats in Congress hardly qualify as liberals and most of those that have served in the Senate historically do not. You're basically comparing Clinton to the most corporate friendly wing of that party which is far to the right of most Democrats and certainly all liberals.
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Well, President Obama has finally entered the fray. I'm kinda giddy about this. He will wipe the walls with Trump.

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Nope. She's a Vulcan

I demand to see her birth certificate.


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Well, President Obama has finally entered the fray. I'm kinda giddy about this. He will wipe the walls with Trump.




But the convention isn't for another month!!! The delegates haven't voted!!! MEHHHHHHHHHH


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I'm really curious who both candidates pick as their VP

Would love Warren, but figure Clinton will probably pick someone a lil more center.


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