2016 US Presidential Election Thread IX

[BVS]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

do you know how annoying it is when a discussion turns into someone repeatedly asserting that you're taking a position that you have clarified isn't the case, multiple times?

Why yes I do.


This conversation is annoying because you're pretending everyone fits into an either/ or category and that it all stacks up on one side. Most will disagree with you; this is an important conversation to have, it's gotten Hispanic republicans to speak out against him and say they're not sure how they're going to vote now, it's made allies such as Newt speak out against him, and I think you're being rather tone deaf to dismiss it as not being news.

[BEAL]

What would happen if in a few months, Trump comes out and says "You've been Punk'd!!!"

Would it force a change to how we as a country elect our top officials?

Would it be the greatest October surprise ever???

If you read some parts of Trump's books, he's basically laid out the gameplan on how to manipulate people to get a deal. He's doing the same things for his campaign.

Guess he really does know the art of a deal

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by BVS

Why yes I do.

So the million dollar question: why would you do it? Is that your method of argument? Marginalize a point being made by fuzzying up the argument being made into something it's not?

This conversation is annoying because you're pretending everyone fits into an either/ or category and that it all stacks up on one side. Most will disagree with you; this is an important conversation to have, it's gotten Hispanic republicans to speak out against him and say they're not sure how they're going to vote now, it's made allies such as Newt speak out against him, and I think you're being rather tone deaf to dismiss it as not being news.

"Tone deaf." Let me pull a comment that might come from BVS. "I don't think you even know what that means." There's nothing "tone deaf" about what I'm saying. You're entirely evading the point of the political spotlight. Call it an important discussion, fine. And when Donald Trump is president and you ask yourself "how could this happen?" you can look back at the absurd amount of free press he got for manipulating the media and you alike.

Instead, we can just talk about his economic plans, or lack thereof. Or we can discuss his plans for bettering race relations. Or lack thereof. Or we can talk about the illegitimacy of his immigration policy, and how he can't possibly enact anything he's saying in tandem with the absurd economic plan he has put forth.

So, by all means, enjoy his troll bait. Sit in the circle that is left, and jerk off about how progressive you are and how much you don't like his rhetoric. And, at the end of the day, it'll be old news, and people who are concerned about their money will still vote for an animal, even if begrudgingly.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

And when Donald Trump is president and you ask yourself "how could this happen?" you can look back at the absurd amount of free press he got for manipulating the media and you alike.

Donald Trump, if elected, won't be elected because BVS et al. discussed Trump's daily idiocies.

The free press criticism is correct but there is nothing we can do about it. Even if every person who thinks that Trump is ridiculous stops watching TV entirely which is some sort of fantasy la-la land that doesn't exist, the media would continue to cover him because he would make news among the rest of the people and the global media. He is regularly on the front page of local papers in countries you'd probably struggle to identify on a map. I'm not sure how the solution to that is to tell people on this board to talk about the issues...

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by BEAL

If you read some parts of Trump's books, he's basically laid out the gameplan on how to manipulate people to get a deal. He's doing the same things for his campaign.

Guess he really does know the art of a deal

We're being Grubered by good old DT.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

"Tone deaf." Let me pull a comment that might come from BVS. "I don't think you even know what that means." There's nothing "tone deaf" about what I'm saying. You're entirely evading the point of the political spotlight. Call it an important discussion, fine. And when Donald Trump is president and you ask yourself "how could this happen?" you can look back at the absurd amount of free press he got for manipulating the media and you alike.

Free press. Yes we all agree with you, but you're the one being manipulated if you think all press is good press. You keep skirting around this. This story alone has turned people against him that weren't against him last week.

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Instead, we can just talk about his economic plans, or lack thereof. Or we can discuss his plans for bettering race relations. Or lack thereof. Or we can talk about the illegitimacy of his immigration policy, and how he can't possibly enact anything he's saying in tandem with the absurd economic plan he has put forth.

Or maybe we can do both?

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by anitram

Donald Trump, if elected, won't be elected because BVS et al. discussed Trump's daily idiocies.



The free press criticism is correct but there is nothing we can do about it. Even if every person who thinks that Trump is ridiculous stops watching TV entirely which is some sort of fantasy la-la land that doesn't exist, the media would continue to cover him because he would make news among the rest of the people and the global media. He is regularly on the front page of local papers in countries you'd probably struggle to identify on a map. I'm not sure how the solution to that is to tell people on this board to talk about the issues...

Obviously it's a fantasy la la land to imagine we'd all stop watching tv. And of course, me saying this on a web forum or two doesn't change a thing, even if every person I ever said it to listened. But this is just winding down to another tragedy of the commons argument. The idea that hey, since it's already in place there's nothing that I the individual can do about it... I don't agree with that mentality. That term is largely used in an environmental sustainability fashion. Well, I'm just one person who doesn't recycle, therefore I have no impact. I disagree. You have all the impact, because you influence others. If you start to recycle, others around you might. If you stop listening to garbage on the news, others might do the same around you. And eventually, we might see a *little* less garbage on tv.

The media is a business. They air what you watch most. Trump gets high shock and awe viewership. Stop being so shocked and they'll find something else to show you. Like how gorilla mom isn't getting prosecuted, did you hear!!?

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by BVS

Free press. Yes we all agree with you, but you're the one being manipulated if you think all press is good press. You keep skirting around this. This story alone has turned people against him that weren't against him last week.

I'm being manipulated? What, manipulated into not clicking on the click bait on CNN and instead choosing something else to read? How am I being manipulated?

And who exactly has turned on the Donald for this comment? I don't see anyone here come out and say "hey I'm voting for Clinton now." I haven't heard anyone of my crazy far right family say that. Nor anyone at work. If you want tone deaf, those are the people who are tone deaf. They don't hear the racist tone that you hear. I hear it, and I think it's damaging to make it the center of attention. Donald Trump is already an illegitimate leader for the sake of being president. Thats what people need to hear.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I'm being manipulated? What, manipulated into not clicking on the click bait on CNN and instead choosing something else to read? How am I being manipulated?

You're manipulated into thinking that all press is good press and that this story somehow is in Trump's favor.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by BEAL

What would happen if in a few months, Trump comes out and says "You've been Punk'd!!!"

We get Ashton Kutcher as president perhaps.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by BVS

You're manipulated into thinking that all press is good press and that this story somehow is in Trump's favor.

Yeah? Who is manipulating me? Can you cite examples of when bad press has stopped or hindered Donald Trump?

As far as I'm concerned, he steamrolled the primaries and is in a tight albeit early race with Clinton.

[trojanchick99]

Now, Bernie is making me angry. This is a guy who talks about the people, and their voice. Hillary has won more votes, more states and more pledged delegates. Digging in his heels isn't helping.

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[Irvine511]

Seems Hillary is now officially the nominee.

[Vlad n U 2]

Hopefully this means the constant whinging over Sanders will cease for good now - here and amongst many liberal media pundits. And less of these BigMacphisto vs. everyone else walls of text that drag on for 5 pages at a time.

[Axver]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

And less of these BigMacphisto vs. everyone else walls of text that drag on for 5 pages at a time.

Can we have a separate thread for the BMP vs BVS vs LN7 disputatious three-way action?

[Vlad n U 2]

All of BMP/BVS/LN7's Political "Arguments" HERE

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Axver

Can we have a separate thread for the BMP vs BVS vs LN7 disputatious three-way action?

We can even have an election afterwards.

Dibs on not being Trump.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Trump said he's the least racist guy around, so there's that. I think I'll vote for him now.

[trojanchick99]

Well. In that case.

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[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Trump said he's the least racist guy around, so there's that. I think I'll vote for him now.

He likes all kinds of food. Mexican, Chinese, Italian, French.