2016 US Presidential Election Thread IX

[Diemen]

To the surprise of no one, and less than a month after initially saying he was "not ready," Paul Ryan has endorsed Trump.

Way to make a principled stand, Paul.*


*of course, when Trump is defeated, Ryan will point to his initial hesitance as a principled stand as he gears up for the 2020 race.

[Axver]

Any prominent Republicans left who haven't fallen into line behind Trump? Retired ones don't count.

[Bluer White]

Another civilized protest yesterday, this time in San Jose.

Angry Shark fans ?

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Axver

Any prominent Republicans left who haven't fallen into line behind Trump? Retired ones don't count.

McCain. Kasich. Republican Senators with tough re-election battles on their hands (Portman in OH). The governor of Michigan who poisoned all those children. Many will not attend the convention. Neither Bush 41 nor Bush 43 (guess they are retired though). Lindsey Graham.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Another civilized protest yesterday, this time in San Jose.

Angry Shark fans ?

That was fucked up and awful and not helpful.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

The governor of Michigan who poisoned all those children..

Probably not a highly sought after endorsement.

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

McCain.

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[womanfish]

Originally Posted by BEAL

Once the VPs are settled I think that's when polling will be a bit more accurate of what to expect.

Right now GOP has backed Trump. Dems have issues


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Any head to head polls right now are complete hogwash. The media loves them because they want to grasp onto anything that shows a close race.

But like you said. After the convention, VP's picked, and even more so after the first debate, will we then have some sort of idea of what we are looking at.

I was so happy to see Clinton's speech yesterday. This is what i've been waiting for from her. Calm, collected, and brutal. Trump has looked even more like a flailing idiot than usual this week. Add the Trump U stuff, and the racist remarks about the judge, and his incredibly weak comebacks to Clinton, and I'm beginning to see that what will lose this race for him, is... Him.
He can't change, he can't control himself, he can't break from speaking to the lowest rung of the base.

[Axver]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

McCain. Kasich. Republican Senators with tough re-election battles on their hands (Portman in OH). The governor of Michigan who poisoned all those children. Many will not attend the convention. Neither Bush 41 nor Bush 43 (guess they are retired though). Lindsey Graham.

Thanks. It was starting to sound like almost everybody had capitulated, certainly anyone with a profile and ambitions to maintain it.

And that McCain quote is a bit odd in that he reaches for a country in the EU rather than one with demonstrably failed systems pretending to be a democracy when everybody knows it's bullshit, like Zimbabwe.

[Popmartijn]

Originally Posted by Axver

And that McCain quote is a bit odd in that he reaches for a country in the EU rather than one with demonstrably failed systems pretending to be a democracy when everybody knows it's bullshit, like Zimbabwe.

And I'm not sure if democracy in Romania is (that much) worse than in the USA.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by Popmartijn

And I'm not sure if democracy in Romania is (that much) worse than in the USA.

Yeah at least they had to jump through hoops to join the EU...

[anitram]

Originally Posted by womanfish

I was so happy to see Clinton's speech yesterday. This is what i've been waiting for from her. Calm, collected, and brutal. Trump has looked even more like a flailing idiot than usual this week.

I have to say I also thought she did very well in that speech, riding on her strengths. I'm not her biggest fan but compare her speech to that idiot Trump tweeting like a dumb teenager and it's pretty much all the information you should need.

[BEAL]

Clinton just needs to be steady, show understanding of policy and world affairs. Trump will continue to do what he does, which is act like a moron. He'll keep his base, but Clinton has the chance to add to hers (Bernie supporters, moderate GOP, Independents)

It really is sad that in 2016, these candidates are the best a nation with over 340 million people can produce. Ideally we would want someone who is the BEST at what they do, or possibly the smartest, most logical ideas to progress society forward.

Clinton is a liar, she's shady, and she's a politician. She knows the game, she is also extremely smart. She just isn't the most likable person, in fact, she's one of the least favorable public personas presented for POTUS in a while. From those who have worked with her in private, the reviews are better. She's brilliant, she wants to learn and understand policy. But none of that really comes across when she is in public.

The reason I am voting for her is that she will not fuck everything up. Her worst case presidency is a GOP lite term. She'll be socially liberal, more conservative towards economy, and possibly a hawk in terms of Middle East. Basically Obama 2.0 She will not nominate SC Justices who will send us backwards. Again, worst case she nominates moderate judges who won't ruffle feathers.

Best case she ditches her tendencies and jumps on some of the more leftist policies being thrown out by Bernie (and others) as she needs that base to get behind her and reward that vote.

What is the best case for Trump? That he surrounds himself with brilliant minds in his cabinet (and note that he's talked about having Sarah Palin in his cabinet), and delegates the work (though he'd still take credit for it all). When it comes to world affairs, possible war or military action, he defaults to the generals to make the best decisions versus acting out of his own ego/feelings. Things keep churning as normal.

Now what's the worst case scenario and are we willing to risk that?

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by BEAL

What is the best case for Trump? That he surrounds himself with brilliant minds in his cabinet (and note that he's talked about having Sarah Palin in his cabinet)

He has?

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

He has?

Secretary of watching Russia from the back yard

[trojanchick99]

Hillary Clinton's speech was brilliant and brutal. She eviscerated him. I also cannot wait until President Obama gets into the fray.

Basically, with his public questioning of a federal judge, Donald Trump has just questioned the patriotism of every Mexican-American. He can go fuck himself.

[corianderstem]

This made me smile. But also vomit.

Vomile? Smomit?

That would sum up this whole cycle.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by trojanchick99

Hillary Clinton's speech was brilliant and brutal. She eviscerated him. I also cannot wait until President Obama gets into the fray.

i see her having no problems winning over lots of centrist to center right voters, especially women.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by trojanchick99

Basically, with his public questioning of a federal judge, Donald Trump has just questioned the patriotism of every Mexican-American. He can go fuck himself.

To all those that say; 'you slap the racist label on him' or 'we all know he just means the illegal ones':

STFU


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[deep]

38000 new jobs when 160000 was expected
Obama and Clinton not making America great at all