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Old 02-04-2016, 01:52 PM   #801
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So let's go back to the 90s when Clinton and GOP controlled congress successfully managed a growing economy. There were more job opportunities for everybody. Wage growth. It is simplistic, yes.

Today you may be correct in that the stock market is at record highs (propped up by cheap money courtesy of the Fed). So the rich get richer while there is not correlating effect underneath with a 7 year anemic recovery.

glad to see you think the Bush tax cuts were a bad idea as well.
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Old 02-04-2016, 03:29 PM   #803
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glad to see you think the Bush tax cuts were a bad idea as well.

Never said that.


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Perhaps you should have.
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you wanted to get back to the 1990s.
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National lead of Clinton over Sanders is just 15.5% according to the RCP polling average. Keep in mind that the total between them includes about 12% that didn't pick a candidate/picked O'Malley in older polls. Still plenty of wiggle room for Sanders as Clinton hovering at 51.8% nationally is hardly commanding.

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National lead of Clinton over Sanders is just 15.5% according to the RCP polling average. Keep in mind that the total between them includes about 12% that didn't pick a candidate/picked O'Malley in older polls. Still plenty of wiggle room for Sanders as Clinton hovering at 51.8% nationally is hardly commanding.

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other than New Hampshire, what state(s) do you see Sanders winning?
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When will we realize that national polls are utterly meaningless...
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Taxes should be set at a rate to maximize revenue to the government. The peak of the bell curve. Tax too little, you get less... Tax too much you hamper growth and get less. If you're the government you want to give the people some upward mobility to expand your taxable base in future years. The idea of punitive taxation for the sake of fairness doesn't help the bottom line. While we're at it, let's get rid of the income tax brackets. Make it a percentage scale per thousand earned. That way you don't dread getting a raise that puts you into a higher bracket only to earn less at the end of the year.


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Taxes should be set at a rate to maximize revenue to the government.
Not really. The actual optimal rate of taxation is the one that does not influence decision-making of the taxpayer, whether that be an individual or a corporation.
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So ... Got in late and flipped on MSNBC and watching the debate, and I could be wrong, but seems like she's wiping the floor with him. It's like he's running on his issue (income inequality) and she's running president. He's criticizing, and she's proposing ideas.

In the way that I suspect Trump is a troll, I suspect that Sanders in no way expects to win.
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Sanders definitely never expected to win at any point during this campaign.
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Larry David is hosting SNL this weekend. It's gonna be him doing Bernie almost the whole show.


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other than New Hampshire, what state(s) do you see Sanders winning?
Only Vermont if you're looking at things from inside of a bubble...but there's totally a bandwagon effect from winning states along with weeks in between the various primaries that give Sanders extra time to catch Clinton (just as he's gained ground on her almost constantly since he began this campaign).

He's going to win New Hampshire which could very well lead to a Nevada victory which could very well lead to a respectable South Carolina loss and so forth...

The big question is: where does Sanders stand in national polls on Super Tuesday? If he's anywhere close to Clinton, we have a race on our hands. If he trails her by more than, say, ten points, it's probably over with.
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other than New Hampshire, what state(s) do you see Sanders winning?

New England states. States with young transient populations Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Colorado.

Everything could be thrown into flux if the Democratic voters question Hillarys electability if the Scandal clouds continue to build around her.


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That way you don't dread getting a raise that puts you into a higher bracket only to earn less at the end of the year.


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THATS NOT HOW MARGINAL TAXES WORK. You're maybe the third person I've seen in the past week who has repeated the myth that if you make more income and get bumped up into a higher tax bracket you end up losing money. No, that doesn't happen. You pay the higher tax rate on income that's above the threshold. So your first $20000 or whatever is taxed at whatever percent and then any income on top of that is taxed at a higher rate and so on and so on. Jesus, do adults really not know how marginal taxes work?


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Jesus, do adults really not know how marginal taxes work?


The most effective way to make sure you pay less tax is to earn less money.
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Jesus, do adults really not know how marginal taxes work?
No.

How many times have we read here that somebody's "buddy" chose not to work more because working more put him in the higher bracket?
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