2016 US Presidential Election Pt. IV

[BVS]

Originally Posted by anitram

I really don't understand all the glee about Trump being a loser (well, ok, I do, he's an unbearable oaf) without acknowledgment that Ted Cruz is far, far worse. He's a true believer.

True, but for me it's the hypocrisy factor. Cruz' supporters, as uninformed as they are, are at least consistent and "principled" in their beliefs. Trump just representatives the racist hypocrites that called ACA socialism but now support someone who wants a single payer solution, and scream religious freedom but want Muslims monitored?!


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[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by Salome

I though that the substantial claim against Bernie Sanders is that his ideas bend too far to the left for some of his own party, let alone that any Republican in Congress will ever vote for anything he puts forward?

Well, there's greater context to what the "substantial claim" is in that article, which is more about how the campaigns were talking about one another in Iowa as opposed to the broader picture that you are talking about. But you are correct. There's a reason Clinton keeps saying "I get things done." The implication is that Sanders cannot because every idea he presents will be summarily dismissed due to his leftist leanings.

But again, my point is more about Clinton than it is about Sanders. Everyone keeps getting swept up in talking about what each candidate symbolizes. But for someone who spends so much time harping on her record and experience, very few people seem interested in actually talking about Clinton's record and experience. Painting her as the more centrist alternative to Sanders and thus the more electable option for the Democrats is an awfully friendly depiction of what she actually seems to be.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Hillary is actually not a very good candidate. She's highly unlikeable, has questionable ethics, and her experience and track record is incredibly overstated.

That she's even in a dog race with an actual socialist says more about her than it does about Sanders or the party.

I have to think Biden is kicking himself for not jumping in.

[Mrs. Garrison]

Originally Posted by anitram

I really don't understand all the glee about Trump being a loser (well, ok, I do, he's an unbearable oaf) without acknowledgment that Ted Cruz is far, far worse. He's a true believer.

THANK YOU.

As bad as TRUMP! is, and oh boy.....anyway as bad as he is Ted Cruz666 is probably one thousand times worse. He is much much much much much much much much much much worse.

Also, it's only Iowa. Some people are acting like TRUMP! has lost the GOP nomination. He really wasn't supposed to win Iowa anyway was he? The evangelical candidates were always polling higher until very very recently when he pulled ahead, albeit not by much. Iowa hasn't picked the GOP nominee since when...Reagan? Bush?

I am starting to think that with Hillary being vulnerable the GOP could win. For that reason, i am terrified about some of these prospects. Most of the establishment guys don't terrify me so badly, but Cruz would our ultimate demise. Far worse than even a Huckabee or Santorum! I don't think there are even appropriate words available for me to describe the absolute HORROR it would be for us (and the ROW) if this awful mistake were to be elected. Let's not lose sight of that here.

Go Sanders/Clinton!!

[bobsaget77]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Hillary is actually not a very good candidate. She's highly unlikeable, has questionable ethics, and her experience and track record is incredibly overstated.

That she's even in a dog race with an actual socialist says more about her than it does about Sanders or the party.

I have to think Biden is kicking himself for not jumping in.

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[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Not for nothing, but the idea that in the year 2016 we’re deciding who gets to run for the most powerful position in the western world by having people stand in groups in a gym, and/or folded slips of paper is fucking frightening.

I actually did it when I lived in Nevada in 2012. I thought it was a fun democratic exercise. You got to see live human beings express their views. Make friends with people in your neighborhood. Beats arguing with trolls on non-FYM Internet comment sections before going to vote on Election Day.


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[deep]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Not for nothing, but the idea that in the year 2016 we’re deciding who gets to run for the most powerful position in the western world by having people stand in groups in a gym, and/or folded slips of paper is fucking frightening.

That's right Iowa Hawkeye cauci is irrelevant, every once in awhile this blind pig finds an acorn, not this time.
Trump is hardly out of the picture.
Bernie can win two more states where white socialists makeup the democratic vote, that's it.

[deep]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

I actually did it whelctionsen I lived in Nevada in 2012. I thought it was a fun democratic exercise. You got to see live human beings express their views. Make friends with people in your neighborhood. Beats arguing with trolls on non-FYM Internet comment sections before going to vote on Election Day.


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cauci are not a true representations of elections, where people fill out a ballot in privacy and then are done. the participation is always much less that an election,

sure it can be fun, so are 'no pants' parties

[PhilsFan]

When talking about how awful Cruz is, it should also be noted that he wears two watches. Both wrists have a watch. This guy's fucking out of his mind.

[BVS]

One's set for the dark ages, where his followers are living.


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[Headache in a Suitcase]

Left arm Texas, right arm Hell.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrison

THANK YOU.

As bad as TRUMP! is, and oh boy.....anyway as bad as he is Ted Cruz666 is probably one thousand times worse. He is much much much much much much much much much much worse.

Also, it's only Iowa. Some people are acting like TRUMP! has lost the GOP nomination. He really wasn't supposed to win Iowa anyway was he? The evangelical candidates were always polling higher until very very recently when he pulled ahead, albeit not by much. Iowa hasn't picked the GOP nominee since when...Reagan? Bush?

I am starting to think that with Hillary being vulnerable the GOP could win. For that reason, i am terrified about some of these prospects. Most of the establishment guys don't terrify me so badly, but Cruz would our ultimate demise. Far worse than even a Huckabee or Santorum! I don't think there are even appropriate words available for me to describe the absolute HORROR it would be for us (and the ROW) if this awful mistake were to be elected. Let's not lose sight of that here.

Go Sanders/Clinton!!

Trump is a troll, but Cruz is truly a despicable human being.

That said... There is a history of despicable Evangelicals winning Iowa and then flaming out. So Cruz winning is not as big a deal as if ClownCar McOrangeFace had won.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Hillary is actually not a very good candidate. She's highly unlikeable, has questionable ethics, and her experience and track record is incredibly overstated.

That she's even in a dog race with an actual socialist says more about her than it does about Sanders or the party.

I have to think Biden is kicking himself for not jumping in.

The Democratic party is kicking themselves for not having a reasonable viable national candidate under the age of 65.

May be 08 in reverse this time with a younger more vital candidate like Rubio beating a tired war horse like Hillary.

[Mack_Again]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

When talking about how awful Cruz is, it should also be noted that he wears two watches. Both wrists have a watch. This guy's fucking out of his mind.

just use phone to look up time. he should realize that fact that phone is much more accurate and convenient.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

When talking about how awful Cruz is, it should also be noted that he wears two watches. Both wrists have a watch. This guy's fucking out of his mind.

Aside from the 2 watches, he just doesn't look right in flannel.

Makes his face seem even more punchable.

[deep]

the one on the right is mostly likely a fitness tracker wristband.

they're great, I can do five miles without leaving my couch

[deep]

and if this is true??

Carson accuses Cruz camp of spreading false rumors on campaign suspension | Fox News


and it could be, the nature of cauci, one could steal a few per centage points from Carson that would have put Cruz from two, up to number one and even have added to Rubio's numbers, that said the polling may have been correct if this was a conventional primary election and not a weird ass thing where a bunch of people get in a room and could have been lied to to change their vote.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Hillary is actually not a very good candidate. She's highly unlikeable, has questionable ethics, and her experience and track record is incredibly overstated.

That she's even in a dog race with an actual socialist says more about her than it does about Sanders or the party.

I have to think Biden is kicking himself for not jumping in.

Indeed, sadly. It irks me to be supporting her, but I am, because Bernie is way to the left of what I'm comfortable with, and the Republicans are all nutjobs.


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[LuckyNumber7]

Cruz appears to be getting dirty on his campaign, much like Dubya did in 2000. This is terrible news. I sincerely believe Donald Trump would make a better president than Ted Cruz. That's a scary thought. I hate Marco Rubio, but anything on the right over Ted is crucial.

As far as Clinton/Sanders goes, after continuing to read into Clinton's shadiness... I just can't do it. I wasn't going to register for a primary vote since I'm in a closed state, but I think I will now, for Sanders.

[Mrs. Garrison]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Trump is a troll, but Cruz is truly a despicable human being.

That said... There is a history of despicable Evangelicals winning Iowa and then flaming out. So Cruz winning is not as big a deal as if ClownCar McOrangeFace had won.

I am still going with the idea that Hillary's vulnerabilities could help the GOP win this....therefore im hoping whatever the GOP nominates is the least despicable pile of shit of the bunch. Currently i have to say that is TRUMP! since the non-despicable bunch (Jeb! Kasich, Christie, or Paul) really don't have much of a chance.