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Old 01-25-2016, 09:22 PM   #381
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I hope Bloomberg jumps in. What a wild election.
Who would he choose as a running mate?.....


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He only jumps in if Sanders beats Hillary and Trump is the GOP candidate.
You won't get a choice between him and Hillary or him and Rubio.
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Just a question for any of you who checked in here outraged or just to challenge Trump's moratorium on Muslim immigration. The question is how do we treat Muslims that are in legal (in their home country) polygamous marriages when they immigrate to the U.S?
Are they recognized as all married for tax, inheritance, and benefits purposes?
Your first sentence has literally zero connection with the other two except for the words "Muslim immigration".
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I'd probably vote for Bloomberg over Sanders if it's Sanders vs. Cruz/Trump. But such an election would also be awfully dangerous. As Paul Krugman pointed out, Bloomberg would probably pull more from the left than from the right, and Trump could win on a modest plurality of votes. I tend to line up pretty well with Bloomberg (liberal on social issues, moderate on economic issues), but I'd like to see exactly what policy positions he pushes.

Incidentally, I worked for Bloomberg's company for a summer. And, if Bloomberg runs, I will have worked for two companies run (at some point) by presidential candidates.
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I'd probably vote for Bloomberg over Sanders if it's Sanders vs. Cruz/Trump. But such an election would also be awfully dangerous. As Paul Krugman pointed out, Bloomberg would probably pull more from the left than from the right, and Trump could win on a modest plurality of votes. I tend to line up pretty well with Bloomberg (liberal on social issues, moderate on economic issues), but I'd like to see exactly what policy positions he pushes.

Incidentally, I worked for Bloomberg's company for a summer. And, if Bloomberg runs, I will have worked for two companies run (at some point) by presidential candidates.
I think he would pull more from the right then you'd think. There are a lot of disenfranchised moderate Republicans out there... but he would also get the gun nuts out in droves to keep him out of office.

Ultimately I don't think he'll run, as I don't think it'll be Sanders vs Crump
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Our American tradition of tolerance for religions is working against common values. No one wants to be labeled intolerant. Religions are only "belief systems" followed by "groups of people".
If you think about these "groups of people" as either having good ideas and behaviors or bad ideas and behaviors then it is easier to be against their belief systems and not wanting to see them become a larger part of the population.
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I'd probably vote for Bloomberg over Sanders if it's Sanders vs. Cruz/Trump. But such an election would also be awfully dangerous. As Paul Krugman pointed out, Bloomberg would probably pull more from the left than from the right, and Trump could win on a modest plurality of votes. I tend to line up pretty well with Bloomberg (liberal on social issues, moderate on economic issues), but I'd like to see exactly what policy positions he pushes.

Incidentally, I worked for Bloomberg's company for a summer. And, if Bloomberg runs, I will have worked for two companies run (at some point) by presidential candidates.
Trump winning with 40% of the vote is much better than trump winning with 60%-75% of the vote. A blowout and the whole Democratic ticket goes down the tubes. Bloomberg saves the Democratic Party from a blowout
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Our American tradition of tolerance for religions is working against common values.

This "tradition", has only been in word for the most part.


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Watching this Democratic town hall
Call the GOP a clown car
The democratic audience is a circus
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This "tradition", has only been in word for the most part.


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The point I am trying to make is that is one looks at the behaviors and practices of some of these groups of people without the label of religion they would be condemned, but with the label of religion they have a shield.
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Trump winning with 40% of the vote is much better than trump winning with 60%-75% of the vote. A blowout and the whole Democratic ticket goes down the tubes. Bloomberg saves the Democratic Party from a blowout

You honestly think these numbers are possible, or just playing the role of devil's advocate?

The "establishment" hates him and the far right talking heads are turning on him. It's as if real honest discussion about him is impossible.


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Trump easily beats Sanders, that's the only reason Bloomberg is mobilizing.
Well main reason, he'd go on a Cruz - Sanders race too.



I now believe Hillary is in more trouble than just the wishful thinking of the right. I still think she gets the nomination. But she will be weakened.
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The point I am trying to make is that is one looks at the behaviors and practices of some of these groups of people without the label of religion they would be condemned, but with the label of religion they have a shield.

Ah, I see what you're doing here. Brilliant. The double edged sword of 'freedom of religion'.


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Trump easily beats Sanders, that's the only reason Bloomberg is mobilizing.
Well main reason, he'd go on a Cruz - Sanders race too.

But why Bloomberg? If anyone is truly concerned about a Sanders ticket wouldn't the Dems be mobilizing someone else?


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And you base this on what, exactly? We've had multiple polling companies recently poll Sanders and Clinton against various people running for the Republican nomination...Sanders has basically no problem wiping the floor with all of them, particularly Trump, and he performs much better against all of them than Hillary.

RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest Polls

Nobody is going to care about the Socialist label. Hell, the stuff Sanders is arguing for is the same stuff Obama gave lip service to eight years ago...only difference this time is that people know Sanders actually will stick to his guns and will go after what he wants in a truly progressive fashion for the goals that he's already stated. Rather than fix the health care system, it's Medicare for All. Rather than fix college tuition issues, it's universal free tuition at public schools, etc.

I also don't get why people and (some) of the media act like it's a big deal that Sanders won't be able to get his policies into practice because of a Republican blockade on Congress. Of course he won't when it comes to any actual legislation that he needs. But how will Hillary accomplish that? Barack Obama has been nothing but stonewalled since after the ACA and had to put up with a ton of petty tactics before that bill was passed...if Hillary actually passes any legislation beyond the budgetary compromises that are currently keeping the government afloat, it will have meant she has capitulated to the right in some fashion. Because, again, there's no way in hell you can pass liberal or even most common sense legislation with the GOP tyrants that currently control the House.

It really is an annoying nit-pick of Sanders because Clinton won't get anything she currently campaigns strongly for through the Republican House either. Republicans will control the House through 2020 at least. Districts will be redrawn for 2022's midterms after the 2020 census, but 2022 will be a lower turnout election than a Presidential year. After 2022's results, Clinton would be a lame-duck for her last two years. Eight years of full Republican control of the house. Sanders faces the exact same scenario and there's no amount of mobilizing that can change that with the way the districts are currently drawn and the abysmal turnout rates during the midterms currently. But at least Sanders will pass executive branch legislation that will go a lot farther than Clinton's and not waffle between saying one thing and doing another. Clinton is going to get attacked as a Socialist by the Republicans no matter what, so why not actually take a far leftist stance if you're going to get attacked for it anyway and not pass any legislation? Of course, that's been the single biggest failure of the Obama administration, watering down legislation throughout his first five years to appease Republicans and then to see them walk away from the table vowing not to vote for the bill no matter what...at least Clinton's administration won't be dumb enough to get the rug pulled out after everything they've seen. But, she's a Clinton. And after Bill's continuing of the war on drugs, his misguided welfare reform and NAFTA, I have no doubt that she'll sell out the American people in order to just say she got something "major" passed...case in point, the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement that she wrote and now says she doesn't support...it's NAFTA all over again.
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Bloomberg probably wouldn't have much pull on Liberal-Moderate GOP outside of the BOS-WASH corridor. He's relatively unknown outside the major media-DC axis. He ran as a Republican after Giuliani as easier pathway the office, instead of getting bogged down in the gears of the NYC Democratic machine.

What they do know of Bloomberg would qualify him as left of center, and not an attractive candidate to Republicans. In fact he is the model of what we righties call the "Nanny-State"

- Carbon Control Proponent
- Gun Control Proponent
- Salt Control Proponent
- Soda Control Proponent

I will give him some credit for Stop and Frisk
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But why Bloomberg? If anyone is truly concerned about a Sanders ticket wouldn't the Dems be mobilizing someone else?
They aren't because of demographics and the current polling that shows Sanders performing far better and essentially winning in a landslide over some of these loons. The key lies in independents which is where Sanders outperforms Clinton by a severe margin. They trust him and not her.

There's also no doubt in my mind that Sanders would drive up turnout on the left moreso than Clinton. There's basically no young women out there even all that excited about electing the first female President and they already support Sanders by a very lopsided margin. It's really a marginal group of older white women and establishment voters that are really gung-ho about that...Sanders will actually excite people and get them to turnout.

Either way though, it doesn't matter. Both will stomp the GOP nominee and neither will be able to take back the House.

For the record, I saw on FiveThirtyEight the other day that Sanders is actually the only candidate with a positive score from the American people. It's a whopping +3 favorability rating, but it towers above the rest of the field. The guy is considered extremely genuine, regardless of whether or not you're into his politics. That sort of likability would work like gangbusters in the general election and it's why he's doing so incredible in these matchups (+23 over Trump, +23 over Cruz, +18 over Rubio in CNN's recent polling).
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The guy is a ga-billionaire.
the Dems have enough problems raising money for their whole slate and running national elections. Of course Bloomberg believes he would have a shot at winning and worse case he saves the Country from a GOP takeover with Trump or Cruz in charge. If Sanders pulls an Obama and somehow gets the delegates, they can't take it from him.
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Bloomberg's candidacy is helped a lot by Trump being the nominee. Trump would be winning the support of as low as like three million primary voters in order to win the nomination...that's a paltry amount compared to the sixty million or whatever that voted for Romney. If Trump is the nominee, you could have most of the GOP base defect to someone like Bloomberg and hold their nose...throw in a bunch of independents and Bloomberg becomes president.

Not inconceivable at all when you throw one billion Bloomberg bucks into the mix and have two very polarizing candidates in Clinton and Trump.
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They aren't because of demographics and the current polling that shows Sanders performing far better and essentially winning in a landslide over some of these loons.

the early polling on the GOP primaries had Trump a non-factor too. Losing to Bush, Rubio, and all the rest. I have learned not to count him out. Hillary is now (on Town Hall )blasting him and praising Muslims. In any vote in America Trump vs Muslims he wins, unless it is a Democratic circus event.
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