2016 US Presidential Election Pt. IV - Page 12

LuckyNumber7 · 01-14-2016, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Yeah, and just from the point of view of someone living in Australia the term (which is not used here) sounds so dehumanising.

Funny enough, I tend not to call extraterrestrial beings aliens. Because I think it's all scifi and silly, in that context.

Not that this is super important, but I don't think the origin of the word is about extraterrestrial beings. I see the word to mean "from somewhere else," so I don't see it as particularly offensive. But I could see how it could be.

Irvine511 · 01-14-2016, 04:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d27gTrPPAyk

corianderstem · 01-14-2016, 04:23 PM

HO YES I LOVE THAT SONG.

carry on.

Irvine511 · 01-14-2016, 05:01 PM

That's a David Fincher video, yo.

bono_212 · 01-14-2016, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Not that this is super important, but I don't think the origin of the word is about extraterrestrial beings. I see the word to mean "from somewhere else," so I don't see it as particularly offensive. But I could see how it could be.

Because it's not:

alien (adj.)
mid-14c., "strange, foreign," from Old French alien "alien, strange, foreign; an alien, stranger, foreigner," from Latin alienus "of or belonging to another, foreign, alien, strange," also, as a noun, "a stranger, foreigner," adjectival form of alius "(an)other" (see alias (adv.)). Meaning "not of the Earth" first recorded 1920. An alien priory (c. 1500) is one owing obedience to a mother abbey in a foreign country.

But it wouldn't be a Vlad post in FYM if there wasn't something about how awful Americans are in there.

Vlad n U 2 · 01-14-2016, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bono_212

But it wouldn't be a Vlad post in FYM if there wasn't something about how awful Americans are in there.

I admire you too, Ashley.

Your little friendly personal comment aside, it wouldn't surprise me if progressive types outside of the US don't take too kindly to the term. And I guess the responses here go to show how uncontroversial a term it actually is.

the iron horse · 01-14-2016, 08:02 PM

Another Republican debate is tonight.

So far, I have watched all the debates from both political parties.

I agree with Ran Paul's decision not to participate when he was banned from the main debate. This splitting to an undercard and main event is not a fair deal for the candidates or the people watching.

Its on now......

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 01-14-2016, 08:41 PM

Oh, Jeb

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 01-14-2016, 08:56 PM

Shouldn't Donald be in favor of a temporary ban on guns until we can figure out what's going on?

bobsaget77 · 01-14-2016, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by the iron horse

Another Republican debate is tonight.

So far, I have watched all the debates from both political parties.

I agree with Ran Paul's decision not to participate when he was banned from the main debate. This splitting to an undercard and main event is not a fair deal for the candidates or the people watching.

Its on now......

Rand brings something unique to the debate stage and brings up important discussions. The media had it out for his father and they have it out for Rand. He actually qualified for the debate.

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Irvine511 · 01-14-2016, 10:07 PM

There is some merit to having many debates. These guys are all much improved from the fall.

Competition would be a good thing for Mrs. Clinton. She's going to need to be sharp in the general. Remember after the first debate where she was great? And seemed to put away Sanders? And now he's apparently gaining momentum? Possibly because the DNC and DWS decided to hide the debates as much as they could? That strategy seems to have backfired.

For me, if I had to vote for these people, I'd obviously vote Kasich. I also think that we could survive a Jeb or Christie presidency.

The rest are just horrifying in so many different ways.

Oregoropa · 01-14-2016, 10:58 PM

DWS puts the debates on Saturday Night when people are watching football. You are correct. It's not really helping Clinton stay sharp.

deep · 01-14-2016, 11:08 PM

handicapping
Trump gets GOP nomination, outside chance for Cruz, no brokered convention.

Oregoropa · 01-15-2016, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by deep

handicapping

Trump gets GOP nomination, outside chance for Cruz, no brokered convention.

Agree. Add this to the prediction.

Cruz will be his VP. They have been sparing recently, but it's not mean spirited. Even the birther moments in the debate was filled with humor. Trump was saying he wants Cruz to cover his ass and get a declarative ruling from a judge. Trump saying he wants to be sure he's squeaky clean if he wants him as VP. Cruz won out on the birther exchange, but Trump crushed Cruz on the New York Values exchange. Trump's best moment.

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deep · 01-15-2016, 01:40 AM

I think Trump wants to keep Cruz as an option and not alienate his supporters.
Not sure he will choose him.

Rubio was born in 71. Neither of his parents were U.S. Citizens until 1975.

Both of these guys owe their rise to the Senate on the tea Party founded on birther movement.

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 01-15-2016, 06:38 AM

This campaign is begging for a moderate third party candidate.

BVS · 01-15-2016, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Another Republican debate is tonight.

So far, I have watched all the debates from both political parties.

I agree with Ran Paul's decision not to participate when he was banned from the main debate. This splitting to an undercard and main event is not a fair deal for the candidates or the people watching.

Its on now......

He wasn't banned. You overuse that word.

It's the GOPs own fault for allowing the clown car.

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BVS · 01-15-2016, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bobsaget77

Rand brings something unique to the debate stage and brings up important discussions. The media had it out for his father and they have it out for Rand. He actually qualified for the debate.

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Stop blaming "the media" Paul had his own issues and skeletons that were real and his to own up to.

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BVS · 01-15-2016, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deep

I think Trump wants to keep Cruz as an option and not alienate his supporters.

Not sure he will choose him.

Rubio was born in 71. Neither of his parents were U.S. Citizens until 1975.

Both of these guys owe their rise to the Senate on the tea Party founded on birther movement.

An interesting conundrum indeed.

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Irvine511 · 01-15-2016, 07:30 AM

A Trump or Cruz candidacy all but guarantees a D in the White House until 2020. This is where the more moderate Clinton would sweep the purple states.

One could argue, however, that this would present an opportunity for a real progressive (Sanders) in the WH because the competition will be so weak. But, gosh, that's some high risk/high reward going on there.

HRC should choose Bernie as her VP. Take his white college kids.

There is still a world in which Rubio is the nominee.

01-14-2016, 10:07 PM	#231
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the West Coast Posts: 34,359 Local Time: 09:55 PM	2016 US Presidential Election Pt. IV There is some merit to having many debates. These guys are all much improved from the fall. Competition would be a good thing for Mrs. Clinton. She's going to need to be sharp in the general. Remember after the first debate where she was great? And seemed to put away Sanders? And now he's apparently gaining momentum? Possibly because the DNC and DWS decided to hide the debates as much as they could? That strategy seems to have backfired. For me, if I had to vote for these people, I'd obviously vote Kasich. I also think that we could survive a Jeb or Christie presidency. The rest are just horrifying in so many different ways.

01-15-2016, 07:30 AM	#240
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the West Coast Posts: 34,359 Local Time: 09:55 PM	A Trump or Cruz candidacy all but guarantees a D in the White House until 2020. This is where the more moderate Clinton would sweep the purple states. One could argue, however, that this would present an opportunity for a real progressive (Sanders) in the WH because the competition will be so weak. But, gosh, that's some high risk/high reward going on there. HRC should choose Bernie as her VP. Take his white college kids. There is still a world in which Rubio is the nominee. __________________

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01-14-2016, 04:23 PM	#223
corianderstem Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 64,498 Local Time: 06:55 PM	HO YES I LOVE THAT SONG. carry on.

01-14-2016, 05:01 PM	#224
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the West Coast Posts: 34,359 Local Time: 09:55 PM	That's a David Fincher video, yo.

01-14-2016, 08:02 PM	#227
the iron horse Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: in a glass of CheerWine Posts: 3,266 Local Time: 09:55 PM	Another Republican debate is tonight. So far, I have watched all the debates from both political parties. I agree with Ran Paul's decision not to participate when he was banned from the main debate. This splitting to an undercard and main event is not a fair deal for the candidates or the people watching. Its on now......

01-14-2016, 08:41 PM	#228
Headache in a Suitcase Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 74,512 Local Time: 09:55 PM	Oh, Jeb

01-14-2016, 08:56 PM	#229
Headache in a Suitcase Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 74,512 Local Time: 09:55 PM	Shouldn't Donald be in favor of a temporary ban on guns until we can figure out what's going on?

01-14-2016, 10:58 PM	#232
Oregoropa Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Polish-American Stronghold PA Posts: 4,144 Local Time: 08:55 PM	DWS puts the debates on Saturday Night when people are watching football. You are correct. It's not really helping Clinton stay sharp.

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deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 05:55 PM	handicapping Trump gets GOP nomination, outside chance for Cruz, no brokered convention.

01-15-2016, 01:40 AM	#235
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 05:55 PM	I think Trump wants to keep Cruz as an option and not alienate his supporters. Not sure he will choose him. Rubio was born in 71. Neither of his parents were U.S. Citizens until 1975. Both of these guys owe their rise to the Senate on the tea Party founded on birther movement.

01-15-2016, 06:38 AM	#236
Headache in a Suitcase Forum Administrator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: With the other morally corrupt bootlicking rubes. Posts: 74,512 Local Time: 09:55 PM	This campaign is begging for a moderate third party candidate.