2016 US Presidential Election Pt. III

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

HRC needs a shot of adrenaline in her campaign. Her crowds are dwarfed by Bernie's. Right now everybody is talking about Trump and the GOP thanks to the debates. In the end she needs to somehow come close to the Obama turnout machine or it could easily swing the other way. I'm not sure she is a good enough campaigner to do that.

You keep forgetting one thing. For better or worse, she's in a position where she can wait this out. The adrenaline will come once the field is narrowed down.

The GOP is basically a clown car right now. The extremists are salivating and the rest of the country is laughing or shaking their heads. The smartest thing Hillary can do right now is lay low. Once the head clown is removed, she'll need to step in, but right now Trump is just proving how extreme and ridiculous the GOP base has become. He has absolutely no reach beyond the racists and extremists of your party, no one in the GOP wants him.

When Glenn Beck is calling out his supporters as racists you have a huge fucking problem.

Once you understand this you'll realize how much your media is lying and exaggerating to you.


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[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by BVS

When Glenn Beck is calling out his supporters as racists you have a huge fucking problem.

Glenn Beck is losing his marbles. He wants to be some sort of prophet-sage.

[Oregoropa]

As far as the GOP field goes I really don't like Jeb. I find myself eagerly awaiting the fall of Ben Carson. Nice guy and all. Don't understand what his supporters see in him. He is all over the place on policy.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Oregoropa

Glenn Beck is losing his marbles. He wants to be some sort of prophet-sage.

I agree. But he's a major voice in that movement, right now there is a large fracture going on.

My prediction is that Trump is the breaking point. If you don't learn from this election and modify the platform you're handing the other side domination until they become what you are now. The GOP as we know it now will be obsolete in 2 cycles.


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[anitram]

In a speech delivered in 2012, Ben Carson said the big bang theory was part of the “fairy tales” pushed by “highfalutin scientists” as a story of creation.

Similarly, Carson, a noted creationist, said he believed the theory of evolution was encouraged by the devil.

This is the highest ranking guy after Trump and yet people on this thread are suggesting that Hillary Clinton's run is in trouble?

The GOP really wants to stick a fork in itself and be done.

[bono_212]

Guys, just stop feeding into their crazy theory about the imploding left. It's a defense mechanism to how badly things are going right now with the GOP.

[Salome]

I am not following it too closely, but it seems to me that the only thing that can prevent HRC from becoming the next president of the US is people getting sick of her before the elections.

It's not going to be because any of the clowns running amok at the moment will convince the majority of the voters they can do a better job.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by Salome

I am not following it too closely, but it seems to me that the only thing that can prevent HRC from becoming the next president of the US is people getting sick of her before the elections.

It's not going to be because any of the clowns running amok at the moment will convince the majority of the voters they can do a better job.

This, pretty much. And there'd have to be a Democratic candidate that comes along and REALLY wows everyone a la Obama. Sanders is doing that to some extent, but a lot of people don't see his chances of winning the nomination being great. Plus, we had the "first black president!" narrative, so naturally people are going to be all over "first female president!" as the next exciting narrative.

But yeah. People are tired of the GOP's outdated rhetoric on social issues, and their financial platform is pretty much the same ol', same ol'. They have a couple minorities in the running, but it feels like lip service having them there. Especially since they're not likely to win the nomination.

[BigMacPhisto]

I figured out the entire Republican race days ago. It's going to come down to Marco Rubio vs. Carly Fiorina with Jeb Bush being the dark horse. Nobody else has a prayer when you look at how high their actual ceilings happen to be. Cruz, Christie, Carson, Kasich, etc. all can only shoot so high. Rubio and Fiorina's debate performances will only continue to elevate them above the fray as the race goes on.

I'm of the opinion that we'll ultimately see a Rubio ticket with Fiorina as his VP pick. He basically gets a token female candidate like Palin that's actually intelligent and helps reunify the party after the two of them get the lion's share of delegates. Fiorina helps the ticket more than an establishment candidate with a ton of baggage would.

Trump's hot air balloon is already imploding and it will be nearly deflated by the time December rolls around. I'd expect him to drop out before the Iowa Caucus even happens because why on earth would he want to waste time shaking hands for a lost cause when he could just bow out and say the GOP establishment used a lot of dirty tricks to make him lose?

Regardless, it is indeed a lost cause for the GOP. When you're earning a 2.5 million voter deficit due to your party members dying and young people registering as Democrats, well, it's hopeless. I don't know why people pretend there's a chance in hell for them when the share of the white vote continually drops around 2.5% every four years. If Clinton doesn't win by as big a margin as Obama did over McCain, it will be a total shock. Not only have a lot of polling hinted that she would exceed the 2008 margin, but she has an even bigger registration advantage given eight years of deaths and new Democrats. In fact, it's the most favorable political climate for Democrats ever as far as party identification and the racial makeup of the country is concerned. A pity there's all that gerrymandering...

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

I figured out the entire Republican race days ago. It's going to come down to Marco Rubio vs. Carly Fiorina with Jeb Bush being the dark horse. Nobody else has a prayer when you look at how high their actual ceilings happen to be. Cruz, Christie, Carson, Kasich, etc. all can only shoot so high. Rubio and Fiorina's debate performances will only continue to elevate them above the fray as the race goes on.



I'm of the opinion that we'll ultimately see a Rubio ticket with Fiorina as his VP pick. He basically gets a token female candidate like Palin that's actually intelligent and helps reunify the party after the two of them get the lion's share of delegates. Fiorina helps the ticket more than an establishment candidate with a ton of baggage would.



Trump's hot air balloon is already imploding and it will be nearly deflated by the time December rolls around. I'd expect him to drop out before the Iowa Caucus even happens because why on earth would he want to waste time shaking hands for a lost cause when he could just bow out and say the GOP establishment used a lot of dirty tricks to make him lose?



Regardless, it is indeed a lost cause for the GOP. When you're earning a 2.5 million voter deficit due to your party members dying and young people registering as Democrats, well, it's hopeless. I don't know why people pretend there's a chance in hell for them when the share of the white vote continually drops around 2.5% every four years. If Clinton doesn't win by as big a margin as Obama did over McCain, it will be a total shock. Not only have a lot of polling hinted that she would exceed the 2008 margin, but she has an even bigger registration advantage given eight years of deaths and new Democrats. In fact, it's the most favorable political climate for Democrats ever as far as party identification and the racial makeup of the country is concerned. A pity there's all that gerrymandering...

Some of us called Rubio/Fiorina weeks and weeks ago.

[cobl04]

I'm fucking crying ahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahah

Jeb Bush: The Pope Shouldn't Discuss Climate Change Because 'He's Not A Scientist'

[LuckyNumber7]

Jeb Bush had so much potential. What a twat.

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Jeb Bush had so much potential. What a twat.

Potential to be what? Just like his brother? He still has it.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by cobl04

I'm fucking crying ahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahah

Jeb Bush: The Pope Shouldn't Discuss Climate Change Because 'He's Not A Scientist'

But the Republicans who completely dismiss any scientific evidence that goes against their beliefs apparently can, of course. James fucking Inhofe is on a committee that deals with these sorts of issues, for cripes' sakes.

Oh, how I LOVE irony...

I'm just greatly amused at the fact that some members of Congress, and a few of the Supreme Court justices, got all squirmy because the Pope, of all people, came to speak to them and said things that pretty much flew in the face of most, if not all, of what the religious right and Republicans believe in and use as their platform. That makes me smile and laugh. Very much .

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Potential to be what? Just like his brother? He still has it.

For being unlike his brother and for being a moderate.

Two things he's normally known for. Please, tell me what you know about Jeb Bush though... enlighten me.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Potential to be what? Just like his brother? He still has it.

I have no intention of ever voting for a Bush, but to be fair, Jeb is not his idiot war criminal brother. He may be wrong, but he's a serious and experienced politician well versed in policy.

[Oregoropa]

Jeb sucks


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[LuckyNumber7]

See that's the point right there. When people who love lunatics in the GOP say Jeb sucks, it either means Jeb is worse than people like Donald Trump, or he's [normally] just too reasonable for your typical republican. Probably because he doesn't want to build the Great Wall of Texas.

[bobsaget77]

I don't mind Jeb too much. Certainly better than Fiorina, Christie and Huckabee.
I thought he did well last debate, I would throw him into the rational group. Along with Kasich, Rubio, and Paul. Those are my top 4.
1. Paul 2. Rubio 3. Kasich 4. Bush

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[LuckyNumber7]

I agree with that list in general, but Paul probably in 4th over his lunatic anti-vaccination beliefs.