2016 US Presidential Election Pt. III

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by anitram

And let's also not forget the other Republican candidates, behaving like they are beacons of enlightenment when most of them hold thoroughly repugnant views themselves.

This is a good point.

[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by anitram

^

A++

I also find it kind of hilarious that everyone is demonizing Trump. Sure, he is a giant troll and asshole, but more concerning are the millions of people ready to vote for him. And let's also not forget the other Republican candidates, behaving like they are beacons of enlightenment when most of them hold thoroughly repugnant views themselves.

I'll go a step further and say that the respect and support for Clinton is troubling.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

I'll go a step further and say that the respect and support for Clinton is troubling.

Hmmm, Vlad. Hmmmm....

[Kieran McConville]

I'll find the Democratic primaries much more interesting than the Republican ones. Yeah yeah, probably Hillary... but it's not as though Bernie Sanders is gone just yet.

I still remember 2004 when John Kerry ended up remortgaging his own house at one point, so hard pressed was he against the Dean insurgency. People laugh about the Dean Scream, but the guy was the presumed frontrunner at one point.

The trouble is, Americans - through no fault of their own except their historical institutional inheritance - keep electing a monarch every four years. And in the way of monarchs, these heads of state have great power to wage war abroad, and not much control at all over local matters that the petty barons claim for their own.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by Kieran McConville

People laugh about the Dean Scream, but the guy was the presumed frontrunner at one point.

I will never understand why that was made into such a big deal by some people.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

I'll go a step further and say that the respect and support for Clinton is troubling.

I don't have a good sense of whether she really has ardent supporters or more people who will vote for her out of a sense of inevitability. I have stated here many times that in a lot of ways Hillary Clinton is the most disappointing political figure to me.

But stack her up next to these 15 (or however many) clowns and it's an obvious choice, even if you have to hold your nose when you check the box next to her name.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by anitram

I don't have a good sense of whether she really has ardent supporters or more people who will vote for her out of a sense of inevitability. I have stated here many times that in a lot of ways Hillary Clinton is the most disappointing political figure to me.



But stack her up next to these 15 (or however many) clowns and it's an obvious choice, even if you have to hold your nose when you check the box next to her name.

100% agree


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[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by anitram

I don't have a good sense of whether she really has ardent supporters or more people who will vote for her out of a sense of inevitability. I have stated here many times that in a lot of ways Hillary Clinton is the most disappointing political figure to me.

But stack her up next to these 15 (or however many) clowns and it's an obvious choice, even if you have to hold your nose when you check the box next to her name.

I'd probably also add the celebrity pull aspect of her candidacy. It feels like every day that she's got a new liberal celebrity fan, and knowing how she really is, everything about it just makes me feel endlessly uneasy.

[deep]

Originally Posted by Kieran McConville

I'll find the Democratic primaries much more interesting than the Republican ones. Yeah yeah, probably Hillary... but it's not as though Bernie Sanders is gone just yet.

I still remember 2004 when John Kerry ended up remortgaging his own house at one point, so hard pressed was he against the Dean insurgency. People laugh about the Dean Scream, but the guy was the presumed frontrunner at one point.

The trouble is, Americans - through no fault of their own except their historical institutional inheritance - keep electing a monarch every four years. And in the way of monarchs, these heads of state have great power to wage war abroad, and not much control at all over local matters that the petty barons claim for their own.

Kerry was the wealthiest person in the Senate. Doubt he was ever hard up at all.

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by deep

Kerry was the wealthiest person in the Senate. Doubt he was ever hard up at all.

Theresa Heinz Kerry was loaded from the Heinz Corporation.

[deep]

Yes from her dead previous husband
But Kerry had family money of his own. Wouldn't have needed a refi.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by deep

Yes from her dead previous husband
But Kerry had family money of his own. Wouldn't have needed a refi.

If he had a fair amount of money in his house, and he wanted to put money into his campaign, it could make sense to take out a low-interest loan on the home instead of pulling cash out of relatively high-yielding stock investments, which is probably where most of his free assets were.


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[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

I will never understand why that was made into such a big deal by some people.

Cuz it was fuckin weird


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[Moonlit_Angel]

It was an enthusiastic yell. A silly sounding one, sure, but certainly a hell of a lot less bizarre and weird than some of the other stuff politicians have said and done over the years. I mean, we had a term called "Bushism" for all the kooky stuff Bush Jr. said and yet that didn't stop people from electing HIM to a second term, so...

(And mind, I pretty much only know about Dean from that whole thing and a couple random interviews here and there from years past. But still. Just saying, being weird hasn't stopped other politicians from going far in a campaign.)

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

I will never understand why that was made into such a big deal by some people.

Agreed. That still depresses me to think about to this day.

[Kieran McConville]

Well Dean got his revenge in a way. His whole campaigning strategy, fundraising strategy, were pretty much the template for Obama four years later.

As for Kerry, yes he is/was loaded. I guess that story about his home was probably just a show of how determined he was to stump up the money for the campaign, as he certainly wasn't anywhere near close to a lock on the nomination until the latter stages.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

I will never understand why that was made into such a big deal by some people.

At the time it was deemed unpresidential to act like that.

Things have, uh, changed.

[DaveC]

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

At the time it was deemed unpresidential to act like that.

Things have, uh, changed.

Ah, the simpler times.

[iron yuppie]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Agreed. That still depresses me to think about to this day.

The reaction to that was ludicrous in so many ways. Probably the first major instance of viral bullshit derailing a candidate that I can remember.