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Old 11-12-2015, 11:40 PM   #561
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Donald Trump went full emo tonight. Wow.

"How stupid are the people of Iowa?" Trump said. "How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?"


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...1221&tid=ss_tw

That's some freaking irony right there.


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Perhaps this is performance art of the highest order.

Though, given his startling call for a renewal of "Operation Wetback," I'm beginning to wonder if he isnt a Clinton plant trying to disqualify the entire party for Latino voters.
...did he actually use those words?
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...did he actually use those words?
It was a real thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback
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2016 US Presidential Election Pt. III

It's a real thing, but it was chosen very deliberately as a talking point for its use of 'wetback'. Like Oregoropa says, it's the red meat of this election.


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Perhaps this is performance art of the highest order.

Though, given his startling call for a renewal of "Operation Wetback," I'm beginning to wonder if he isnt a Clinton plant trying to disqualify the entire party for Latino voters.
I called him a Clinton plant from the start but was always half joking. No longer.

Funny thing is Trump's "how stupid are the people of Iowa/this country?" has been a thought many of us have shared for a number of years now.
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Say Trump is a plant...

If money is paid, people go to prison, right?
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Perhaps this is performance art of the highest order.

Though, given his startling call for a renewal of "Operation Wetback," I'm beginning to wonder if he isnt a Clinton plant trying to disqualify the entire party for Latino voters.

Right now Trump is out-performing Romney with Latinos. There are plenty of Latinos who have been here for generations who don't like the idea of undocumented workers taking jobs and under-cutting their wages.

Way back on page one of this thread I stated that the GOP race was going to hinge on immigration. This was before Trump went 'full (what RDJ said in Tropic Thunder)' on the issue. At the time I said Cruz would feed the red meat but now Donald is throwing out Kobe beef. Now Cruz is beating Rubio over the head.

I do think Trumps comments on Carson are not a good play.

Thanks for the trademark on 'Red Meat' BVS.


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2016 US Presidential Election Pt. III

I think Trump attacking Carson is a very wise and calculated move.

He's in danger of having peaked. Everyone who is in favor of Trump likes his outspoken nature. They don't want to see him sit down.

Trump has effectively suppressed Jeb Bush. He's defending his position atop the charts by giving his supporters what they want.. blood. Ben Carson is really exposed right now. It's opportunistic to attack and gut him to destabilize his run. Of course, it could backfire and have people side with Carson, but I think you'd meet a paradox at that point. Trump's campaign has been founded upon being vile and gutting weak opponents. By not being risky with his words, he defies himself.
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Right now Trump is out-performing Romney with Latinos. There are plenty of Latinos who have been here for generations who don't like the idea of undocumented workers taking jobs and under-cutting their wages.


could you source this? also, it's early. when sharper contrasts are done in the general election, i have a tough time seeing any of these candidates, other than Bush, honestly, doing better than Romney with Latinos.

it doesn't matter for many Latinos whether they've been here for 200 years or not -- rounding up people and deporting them is something that is going to resonate powerfully and negatively with Latinos from all walks of life.
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Yeah, this Latina and her family definitely don't support Trump. I'd be very surprised if many Latinos that aren't Cuban do. I'm 2nd generation, and am not concerned undocumented immigrants are going to take my cushy office job.
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Yeah, this Latina and her family definitely don't support Trump. I'd be very surprised if many Latinos that aren't Cuban do. I'm 2nd generation, and am not concerned undocumented immigrants are going to take my cushy office job.

at the risk of sounding like i'm grouping 14% of the US population together into a monolithic whole, is there any inter-group suspicion/irritation with Cubans? as political refugees from dreaded Communist super villain Fidel Castro, they've enjoyed a protected status not afforded to any other immigrant group (Latino or otherwise) that i can think of.
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at the risk of sounding like i'm grouping 14% of the US population together into a monolithic whole, is there any inter-group suspicion/irritation with Cubans? as political refugees from dreaded Communist super villain Fidel Castro, they've enjoyed a protected status not afforded to any other immigrant group (Latino or otherwise) that i can think of.
I don't think so. I was just referencing that Cubans are more prone to vote Republican than other Latinos. Although, even that is changing with the younger generations.
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I'm 2nd generation, and am not concerned undocumented immigrants are going to take my cushy office job.
Seriously. There's been heavy Hispanic populations in many of the towns I've lived in over the years. They're the biggest minority group.

Yet when my parents lost jobs, it was NEVER the result of immigrants, legal or illegal, "taking their jobs" and forcing them out.

No, my parents losing jobs was the result of corporate bullshit and CEOs who didn't seem to understand how to run a company, or didn't care as long as they got their HUGE cut of pay, or whatever. My mom worked at a KMart in another part of Iowa that shut down a little over ten years or so ago, and she and all the other employees had to sign some sort of thing regarding the company shutting down if they wanted to get their final paychecks.

Meanwhile, the CEO of that company? He got millions in a bonus that year. Yeah.

And my dad worked in radio, and the corporate entity known as Clear Channel coming in and taking over radio stations and automating them was what led to his being laid off along with plenty of other DJs.

But nope, Republicans, let's not talk about THAT issue at all. Trickle down economics totally works, yeah!

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Donald Trump went full emo tonight. Wow.

"How stupid are the people of Iowa?" Trump said. "How stupid are the people of the country to believe this crap?"


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...1221&tid=ss_tw
There is so much here that makes me laugh that I don't even know where to begin. Wow.

On the note of Carson, though, I find him creepier and creepier with each new thing that comes out of his mouth. The guy is weird.
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Most people on this board actually agree with Trump that Carson is "Pathological" (i.e. Abnormal) That gives me a chuckle


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Because I think most people believe Trump is a clever snake who doesn't honestly believe anything he says. People aren't so sure about Carson.
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Exactly. Either that or they simply chalk him up to being an obnoxious loudmouth looking for a few extra minutes of fame (which is my view).

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Most people on this board actually agree with Trump that Carson is "Pathological" (i.e. Abnormal) That gives me a chuckle
I guess we had to agree on something at some point.

But the idea that fellow Iowans pushed Trump into the lead among Republicans at one point was just as depressing to me. And just as strange.
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Latest poll from Reuters has GOP likely primary voters:

Trump 42%
Carson 25%


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SNL had a great skit busting on Ben Carson last night. Anybody see it. Wasn't too malicious but just used his own words. Kenan Thompson was a great Black Jesus.


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This is good.

This is why Ben Carson lies: The dark, disturbing reality of race, religion and today’s right-wing - Salon.com
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