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Old 10-24-2015, 01:53 PM   #261
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I am not sure they can stop Trump
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Old 10-24-2015, 03:37 PM   #262
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Rubio as president/nominee and Paul Ryan as Speaker would be a major step forward for the party.
In terms of age and nothing else.
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Old 10-25-2015, 04:12 PM   #263
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Jeb's not on life support in terms of finances. There's a difference between the campaigns and the Super PAC. The Jeb Bush Super PAC is basically sitting on $100 million and has the money to get themselves all the way into the heart of the race in March. For Republicans, the money is often so slanted towards the Super PAC side of things that they're often cutting campaign staff while their Super PACs sit on massive war chests.

Sure, it does show that Bush is still in trouble, but he has a ton of money and is going to be around until at least the early spring. I mean, I guess there's the possibility that his Super PAC gets real desperate and blows through the money sooner, but the guy heading it has a long-term strategy that doesn't necessarily entail winning the first couple states.
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I am not sure they can stop Trump
They already are if you look at the latest Iowa polling with Ben Carson's surge. 3/4 of Iowa Republicans see Trump as having the largest ego in the field and 1/4 of Iowa Republicans think he should be the next candidate to drop out of the race. Trump's hot air balloon is already deflating and he'll have to consider leaving altogether by the time Iowa rolls around (which goes back to my theory that I can't actually see people wasting a day of their lives in a high school gym to caucus for the guy). He'll have a big decision to make about pulling out before Iowa and blaming the establishment and media or going through with it and being labeled "a loser"...I bet he chooses the former.

It's funny because Carson is just as much a bunch of hot air with no real expertise or experience. But at least Trump is a dynamic personality that excites people. If Carson were white, he wouldn't even be in the mix.

But I'd be ecstatic to see Carson win the nomination with his recent comments that he's against all abortions. We saw how that played out in red states in 2012 that went ahead and booted their Republican Senators that effectively told women that it's their responsibility to bring to term a rape baby. If Carson were the nominee, it's going to be a huge landslide against him that could even give the house back to the Dems.
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but the Bushes could put pride aside and figure the best way to stop Trump would be to pull out and unite behind Rubio
That's the best situation for all of them if Trump or Carson manages to start winning some states a few months from now...the longer they take to get behind a mainstream candidate like Rubio or Bush, the better the chances of Trump or Carson narrowly winning the nomination in an extremely divided field.

The common sense is that as more people drop out, the more likely voters get behind an establishment candidate as they did with Romney four years ago (which is why Romney is still a hypothetical 2016 nominee). This leaves Trump with no chance of winning once there's only one or two other major challengers remaining as he's despised by so much of the party's members that he's basically capped at 40% of the vote in a given state, tops.
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Old 10-25-2015, 04:40 PM   #266
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Rubio will take the nomination


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I think it will be Trump v Clinton


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I'd say Rubio vs. Clinton. Rubio begins to emerge as the one mainstream alternative to these "populist" candidacies and handily claims the nomination.
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There's just no way there's not a 3rd person at the table, if it's Trump.
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What do you mean by that?
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TRUMP! is still drawing the biggest crowds by far during this election cycle, so far anyway. He is also a ratings bonanza whenever he is on TV or during the debates. He might have lost some of the steam he had but i don't see him losing the GOP nomination to anyone who is currently running.
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There's no way the Republicans will nominate a guy who's been formally endorsed by a national Klan leader and a major Neo-Nazi publication.



Or is there?
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Isn't that most republican leaders?
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The only possible GOP ticket that has a prayer is Rubio/Kasich, because of the FL and OH vote. The GOP cannot win without those states. Rubio becomes their Obama and Kasich their Biden, it's not scary enough to frighten white suburban women and seems like it might pull some Latino votes on paper.

It will come down to math.

Once the not-Trump is determined, considerable firepower will be expended by the establishment to take him out. It will be interesting to see how much he can with stand. And he may set fire to the whole barn as he goes down in flames.

And that is the sound of the chickens coming home to roost.
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2016 US Presidential Election Pt. III

And I want to applaud Ben Carson's consistency on abortion.

Either it's a baby or it isn't. It doesn't matter how it got there. Rape, incest, or too much red wine.

To say that some babies can be aborted and others can't is nothing more than slut shaming.

And being pro-life isn't about slut shaming or punishing female sexuality. It's all about saving the babies.

Right?
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Old 10-26-2015, 12:00 AM   #276
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2016 US Presidential Election Pt. III

Rubio does not get Florida simply because he's a state senator here. It just won't happen. We don't have people currently voting blue who otherwise would vote for someone like him. Rubio is a senator, not a governor. He has no direct impact on Florida.

Jeb Bush could win Florida. Marco Rubio would not. And yes I know that he's Hispanic and whatnot.
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And I want to applaud Ben Carson's consistency on abortion.

Either it's a baby or it isn't. It doesn't matter how it got there. Rape, incest, or too much red wine.

To say that some babies can be aborted and others can't is nothing more than slut shaming.

And being pro-life isn't about slut shaming or punishing female sexuality. It's all about saving the babies.

Right?

All this. The whole "rape/incest" exemption is bullshit pandering to make anti-choice people sound more reasonable. There's no way to make that work and they know it.
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Yes, Carson's abortion stance is the only one that is logically consistent if you believe that 2 cells = human. Of course there is the death penalty inconsistency, but hey he's no Pope.

I've always half joked that Trump is a Clinton plant. And if he takes down the GOP, then maybe it'll be only a 1/4 joke.
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2016 US Presidential Election Pt. III

You're not the only one thinking that.

Lots of people, from both sides, are skeptical of Trump's intentions.

Question: if Donald Trump goes all the way to the end and then drops out before he gets the nomination, and then publicly announces that he was putting on an act and that America is disgraceful for being racist and buying into an entertainer's performance...

--and yea this is a mega hypothetical--

Does he go down in history as someone who did something really good for humanity? Or something really bad? Does he go to prison?
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