2016 US Presidential Election Pt. II - Page 36

BVS · 08-20-2015, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by iron yuppie

Yeah, I agree 100% about that. I think there's a danger in starting to pin random acts of violence or racism on him, though, as the article seems to want to do.

Did you miss the part where the suspect allegedly said to the police, "Trump is right we need to..."?
I wouldn't call this random or a stretch to connect Trump's influence.

The suspect has issues and hate crimes in his past but he's naming the person that incited him.

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Mrs. Garrison · 08-20-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Did you miss the part where the suspect allegedly said to the police, "Trump is right we need to..."?
I wouldn't call this random or a stretch to connect Trump's influence.

The suspect has issues and hate crimes in his past but he's naming the person that incited him.

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This has to be one of the bigger WTF's i have read from you

Mrs. Garrison · 08-20-2015, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Did you miss the part where the suspect allegedly said to the police, "Trump is right we need to..."?
I wouldn't call this random or a stretch to connect Trump's influence.

The suspect has issues and hate crimes in his past but he's naming the person that incited him.

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So i guess this is Trump's fault too?

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“Donald Trump was right, all these illegals need to be deported,” Scott Leader allegedly told police. Leader previously served a year in prison for a hate-crime attack on a Moroccan man days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to court documents.

BVS · 08-20-2015, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrison

This has to be one of the bigger WTF's i have read from you

Why?

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrison

So i guess this is Trump's fault too?

I'm not saying it's his fault, neither is the article. That's why I specifically cited his violent past.

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Mrs. Garrison · 08-20-2015, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Why?

I'm not saying it's his fault, neither is the article. That's why I specifically cited his violent past.

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You said this

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I wouldn't call this random or a stretch to connect Trump's influence.

The title to the article is this

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Donald Trump inspired vicious attack on Hispanic homeless man, police say

If you can't see the WTF here then i probably can't explain it to you

BVS · 08-20-2015, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrison

You said this

The title to the article is this

If you can't see the WTF here then i probably can't explain it to you

To say there's no connection there is silly, the suspect cited an influence. It does not mean Trump is responsible for the violence, but it shows a connection between the rhetoric and the danger it attracts.

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Bluer White · 08-20-2015, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by corianderstem

Being an island doesn't seem to help England keep out undocumented immigrants, so why does anyone think a wall will help the US?

Is that situation going well in England?

Sincerely asking...

deep · 08-20-2015, 05:54 PM

a lot of the arguments in here are people so desperate to think they furthering their position they can't think rationally

if you had somebody illegally building a 30 foot wall without the proper building permits, that perhaps could be laid at Trumps (hair piece) feet.

deep · 08-20-2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluer White

Is that situation going well in England?

Sincerely asking...

in a word, YES
compared to the quantity of the problem in the U S. with our porous boarder

this backs up what I just said

No End in Sight for Migrants’ Desperate Chunnel Blitz - The Daily Beast

deep · 08-20-2015, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

To say there's no connection there is silly, the suspect cited an influence. It does not mean Trump is responsible for the violence, but it shows a connection between the rhetoric and the danger it attracts.

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give me a break

no Trump in the picture, these assholes are still going to beat up homeless people, you know the type.

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 08-20-2015, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

and for Deez Nuts enthusiasts
is not that poll just in one state, N C?

also, looking at the polls, his highest support came from younger people and going up the age charts his support dropped with the oldest giving him the least

so we know where the dumbing down of the electorate is coming from

Trump supporters?

**Headache in a Suitcase** · 08-20-2015, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Did you miss the part where the suspect allegedly said to the police, "Trump is right we need to..."?
I wouldn't call this random or a stretch to connect Trump's influence.

The suspect has issues and hate crimes in his past but he's naming the person that incited him.

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I think anyone who honestly believes Trump should be president should be sent for a psychiatric evaluation.

This thing is on Trump as much as the killing of John Lennon is on JD Salinger.

BVS · 08-20-2015, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

give me a break

no Trump in the picture, these assholes are still going to beat up homeless people, you know the type.

He's been involved in two violent crimes, both had stressors. Him being homeless didn't seem to be the issue. Why is Trump fresh on his mind at the arrest? Just random? Or is the stressor having a future presidential hopeful spewing words that validate your own hatred?

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Mrs. Garrison · 08-20-2015, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

To say there's no connection there is silly, the suspect cited an influence. It does not mean Trump is responsible for the violence, but it shows a connection between the rhetoric and the danger it attracts.

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So if i were to go and beat up a homeless person, and cite Obama as a reference, as my inspiration for doing so, does that mean there is a connection to Obama? Did Obama incite the violence?

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Originally Posted by deep

a lot of the arguments in here are people so desperate to think they furthering their position they can't think rationally

if you had somebody illegally building a 30 foot wall without the proper building permits, that perhaps could be laid at Trumps (hair piece) feet.

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Originally Posted by deep

give me a break

no Trump in the picture, these assholes are still going to beat up homeless people, you know the type.

well said

BVS · 08-20-2015, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

I think anyone who honestly believes Trump should be president should be sent for a psychiatric evaluation.

This thing is on Trump as much as the killing of John Lennon is on JD Salinger.

Once again, I'm not saying it's "on Trump", but this analogy isn't quite the same. Salinger wasn't saying anything to directly validate a certain hatred towards a certain person.

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BVS · 08-20-2015, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrs. Garrison

So if i were to go and beat up a homeless person, and cite Obama as a reference, as my inspiration for doing so, does that mean there is a connection to Obama? Did Obama incite the violence?

well said

What did Obama say to validate your violent hatred?

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**Headache in a Suitcase** · 08-20-2015, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Once again, I'm not saying it's "on Trump", but this analogy isn't quite the same. Salinger wasn't saying anything to directly validate a certain hatred towards a certain person.

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See... I agree with you, but still think you're wrong.

Clearly politicians and media figures have the ability to shape a narrative a certain way that is not necessarily based in reality.

And I don't doubt that these guys were influenced by Trump.

But crazy is crazy.

To do what was done, they'd have to be crazy. If Trump didn't influence them, something else would have.

I can blame Trump for his own crazy. I can't blame him for others'.

Mrs. Garrison · 08-20-2015, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

What did Obama say to validate your violent hatred?

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First off, i don't have a violent hatred, it's a hypothetical.

ONCE AGAIN, you are jumping to conclusions.

But thanks for proving my point.

BVS · 08-20-2015, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

See... I agree with you, but still think you're wrong.

Clearly politicians and media figures have the ability to shape a narrative a certain way that is not necessarily based in reality.

And I don't doubt that these guys were influenced by Trump.

But crazy is crazy.

To do what was done, they'd have to be crazy. If Trump didn't influence them, something else would have.

I think some are focusing too much on Trump. Ok, remove him from the equation completely and let's just focus on the rhetoric.

My point is that the rhetoric feeds and validates this kind of "crazy".

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Vlad n U 2 · 08-20-2015, 06:52 PM

I feel BVS is being out-BVS'd here.

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deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 02:52 AM	a lot of the arguments in here are people so desperate to think they furthering their position they can't think rationally if you had somebody illegally building a 30 foot wall without the proper building permits, that perhaps could be laid at Trumps (hair piece) feet.