2016 US Presidential Election Pt. II

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Oh goody, Trump's sort of an anti-vaxxer too. Let's add that to the list of crazy.
 
Trumps desire to lower dosage and spread them out seems sensable.

Yes I'm sure he has the appropriate qualifications to debate the scientists and doctors who develop and prescribe the vaccinations- oh wait.
 
Rubio was very strong and came across Presidential.

Trump was human and fun. Seemed to defuse some of the vitriol. One exception his attack on Rand off the bat.

Carson was the big loser when he said we didn't need to take action against Afghanistan post 9/11. Yikes !


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But that is not what he said
and Carson is pediatric specialist.


If one only gets their information from 140 character tweets they are not really informed

If one did not watch the debate, here is the transcript
No one is against vaccinations,

A backlash against vaccines was blamed for a measles outbreak here in California. Dr. Carson, Donald Trump has publicly and repeatedly linked vaccines, childhood vaccines, to autism, which, as you know, the medical community adamantly disputes.

You're a pediatric neurosurgeon. Should Mr. Trump stop saying this?

CARSON: Well, let me put it this way, there has -- there have been numerous studies, and they have not demonstrated that there is any correlation between vaccinations and autism.

This was something that was spread widely 15 or 20 years ago, and it has not been adequately, you know, revealed to the public what's actually going on. Vaccines are very important. Certain ones. The ones that would prevent death or crippling.

There are others, there are a multitude of vaccines which probably don't fit in that category, and there should be some discretion in those cases. But, you know, a lot of this is -- is -- is pushed by big government.

And I think that's one of the things that people so vehemently want to get rid of, big government. You know, we have 4.1 million federal employees. Six hundred and fifty federal agencies and department (sic).

That's why they have to take so much of our taxes. TAPPER: Should he stop saying it? Should he stop saying that vaccines cause autism?

CARSON: Well, you know, I've just explained it to him. He can read about it if he wants to. I think he's an intelligent man and will make the correct decision after getting the real facts.

TAPPER: Mr. Trump, as president, you would...

TRUMP: Well, I -- I -- I'd like to respond.

TAPPER: I'm going right to you.

TRUMP: I'd like to respond.

TAPPER: Mr. Trump, as president, you would be in charge of the Centers for Disease Control and the National Institutes of Health, both of which say you are wrong. How would you handle this as president?

TRUMP: Autism has become an epidemic. Twenty-five years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten totally out of control.

I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. Because you take a baby in -- and I've seen it -- and I've seen it, and I had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over a two or three year period of time.

Same exact amount, but you take this little beautiful baby, and you pump -- I mean, it looks just like it's meant for a horse, not for a child, and we've had so many instances, people that work for me.

Just the other day, two years old, two and a half years old, a child, a beautiful child went to have the vaccine, and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic.

I only say it's not -- I'm in favor of vaccines, do them over a longer period of time, same amount.

TAPPER: Thank you.

TRUMP: But just in -- in little sections.

TAPPER: Dr. -- Dr. Carson?

TRUMP: I think -- and I think you're going to have -- I think you're going to see a big impact on autism.

TAPPER: Dr. Carson, you just heard his medical take.

(LAUGHTER)

CARSON: He's an OK doctor.

(LAUGHTER)

(APPLAUSE)

CARSON: But, you know, the fact of the matter is, we have extremely well-documented proof that there's no autism associated with vaccinations. But it is true that we are probably giving way too many in too short a period of time.

And a lot of pediatricians now recognize that, and, I think, are cutting down on the number and the proximity in which those are done, and I think that's appropriate.

TRUMP: And that's all I'm saying, Jake. That's all I'm saying.

TAPPER: Dr. Paul? Dr. Paul, I'd like to bring you in.

PAUL: A second opinion?

(LAUGHTER)

One of the greatest -- one of the greatest medical discoveries of all times was -- were the vaccines, particularly for smallpox. And if you want to read a story, it's called The Speckled Monster, it's an amazing story, it was all done voluntary.

But people came in by the droves. George Washington wouldn't let his wife visit until she got vaccinated. So I'm all for vaccines. But I'm also for freedom.

I'm also a little concerned about how they're bunched up. My kids had all of their vaccines, and even if the science doesn't say bunching them up is a problem, I ought to have the right to spread out my vaccines out a little bit at the very least.

TAPPER: Alright, thank you so much...
 
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Trump: "Just the other day, two years old, two and a half years old, a child, a beautiful child went to have the vaccine, and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic."

This alone should take Trump out of the race. It won't, but it should.


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I just watched some highlights from the debate; Paul's answer about Trump being in charge of nukes was great, and then Trump proving his point with a childish remark was classic.


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Some thoughts on the debate.....
I know I'm a bit biased towards Paul, but I thought he had an excellent debate. Didn't stoop down to the level of some of the others on the stage. Him and Kasich were both always respectful to the other candidates and didnt constantly interrupt. Also, his answers on marijuana and foreign policy were excellent, totally destroyed Christie again. But of course, the "let's nuke the universe" contingent of the Republican Party didn't like it.
Trump continues to drop for me. I think Jeb owned him on a number of occasions last night, and I'm not particularly a big fan of Bush. Jeb had a very solid debate imo.
Carson had a miserable night, his response to illegal immigration was really awful. Cruz was a bit of a mixed bag. I thought he didn't have a great night either.
Fiorina was unbearable.
Huckabee was terrible (as usual).
Kasich was very good. Why in the heck is Trump so high in the polls, yet Kasich is so low. Speaking of Trump, I thought he had a horrible debate.
Rubio looked very solid.
Walker was...Walker I guess. No chance. Christie just talked about 9/11 again. His comment about the constant Fiorina-Trump ego mania was spot on, though. Hate to give him credit on anything, but that was a good comment.


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I also found Fiorina to be unbearable and frankly the most terrifying person on stage. Her ultra hawkish responses and her cold, detached and robotic delivery reminded me of Dick Cheney.

I don't find Rubio to be strong at all, he kind of comes across as a little kid playing dressup on stage who studied too hard.

Kasich did seem like the adult up there, alas he has nowhere to go.
 
Fiorina's stance on completely ignoring Putin and our enemies is a very scary thought. Reacting based on emotions is always dangerous, especially when you have control over the most powerful military in the world. That ridiculous tirade she went on about the details of her military plan was really horrible and was jut trying to get a rise out of the crowd. Which she clearly did successfully considering there are morons who think she won the debate. She's the anti-Rand Paul when it comes to foreign affairs.
Rand is at least open to diplomacy, putting boots on the ground should not be the 1st and only option. But of course, if you seek diplomacy and rationality, you don't have a chance of winning. It's all about getting the crowd riled up.
A quick fact about Fiorina. My grandfather a number of years ago was a VP at a huge company and personally knew Fiorina. He said no one could stand being around her and HP couldn't get her out of there fast enough. She was a horrible CEO and a complete disaster for the company.


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I like her, actually.

God, if it could just be Kasich, at least then I could stomach the thought of a Republican winning.

Can't stand Rubio, I think you are spot on, Anitram, he looks like a little kid.

Jeb dodging the women's health thing, and backing up Huckabee regarding Davis might have been his undoing.
 
Anybody check out Ann Coulter's Twitter? She basically attacks half the candidates... oh yeah and the f--king Jews.


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the CW this morning amongst the punditry seems to be that she "won" the debate.

i think the strongest GOP ticket is Rubio/Kasich.

get a GOP version of Obama and a GOP version of Biden, and Ohio. maybe.

I agree but I'd flip it. Kasich/Rubio. Kasich is easily the class of this field, as I believed a few months ago. I said at the time if he ever got on the big stage, he'd make some noise. He's gonna be in this thing until the end and I believe along with Rubio, will be the alternative to Trump/Carson, whichever ultimately manages to wrangle together the anti-establishment vote.

I also have to agree with others. The same foolish CW that has been consistently wrong about Trump now wants to crown Fiorina and I thought she was one of the worst on the stage last night. She's a fired CEO who lost the only election she's ever run for. She was also part of Lucent and Lucent went from a HUGE success to in the tank after they misreported their earnings and (also) the tech bubble burst. Forget Trump, if she gets more traction, this shit will destroy her candidacy becuse others will use it.

this mentions some of it:
Donald Trump: Carly Fiorina was even worse at Lucent than at HP - Fortune

Fuck her. She's an atrocious candidate. Might explain why currently she is the darling of the punditry class from last night.
 
Trump: "Just the other day, two years old, two and a half years old, a child, a beautiful child went to have the vaccine, and came back, and a week later got a tremendous fever, got very, very sick, now is autistic."

This alone should take Trump out of the race. It won't, but it should.

Jenny McCarthy can be his running mate.
 
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That's right up there with this debate gif:

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I did like Fiorina's response to the "look at her face" crap. Trump set himself right up for her response by bashing Jeb(!)'s "that wasn't what I meant," so that was sharp of her to run with that.
 
I just loved them trying to out-hipster each other with their "Hey man, I defunded Planned Parenthood before it was cool" fight.
 
That's right up there with this debate gif:

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I just loved them trying to out-hipster each other with their "Hey man, I defunded Planned Parenthood before it was cool" fight.

As much as I agree that was amusing, I just want to reitterate, again, that at LEAST Kasich followed up his comments about defunding it with the fact that he still wants to pursue alternatives.
 
Yeah, while I didn't watch the whole thing, the little I heard from Kasich left me thinking "well, he seems at least somewhat reasonable and sane."
 
Rubio is the best debater.

Fiorina is clearly the smartest of the bunch, she can whip into specifics about anything without much prompting and doesn't get phased up there.

Christie chiming in on the Trump/Fiorina feud was so smug and desperate...reminding me of Newt Gingrich winning the Georgia primary because in the debate prior to it he was asked about cheating on his spouses/hypocrisy and then blasted the media (so, cheating on a dying wife of his won him a state). It was just so forced and Christie wants to be the loudest guy in the room in order to get attention again.

Paul is obviously the most reasonable on drugs/incarceration/foreign policy. Not like it matters.

Don't give Kasich too much credit. His true policies and ideas are just as heinous of the rest of the field, even if he's willing to be sensible on a few issues.

Walker and Bush are the has-been front-runners and just seem pretty adrift out there.

Still not seeing how Trump can really falter in the polls. If the first debate didn't stop him, why would the second? His base clearly could give two shits about actual policy specifics.



It's pretty telling that there's been no major endorsements (from Governors, Reps or Senators) of any of these candidates for nearly a month now. Makes it pretty likely that Romney could be thrown into the ring in order to stop Trump (+ other outsiders) and/or a long primary. His base alone would make him #2 in the polls and he'd eventually pull ahead of Trump once others exited the race. Couple that with his newfound likability among the general public and the fact that he'd unquestionably fare the best against the Democratic challenger and it's almost a no-brainer. When Romney walked away from the race earlier this year, he figured there were going to be a couple of front-runners and that he'd have a hard time arguing for people to support the last election's loser...obviously, him and his team had no idea that it was going to turn into a crowded 17 person field with the celebrity candidate taking all the oxygen. It's literally the same situation as 2012 for Romney. The hardcore right-wingers won't be able to coalesce behind one candidate in time and Romney's base of 20-30% off-the-bat will be enough for him to ultimately win it.
 
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