2012 US Presidential Election Superthread - Page 5 - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-28-2012, 08:22 PM   #81
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 28,170
Local Time: 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikal

So I've been out of the loop this weekend, but why would the hurricane result in a Romney win?
Nothing to do with the storm, just a feeling I have that I'm expressing due to impending doom.
__________________

MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 10-28-2012, 11:48 PM   #82
Blue Crack Supplier
 
dazzledbylight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: in the sound dancing - w Bono & Edge :D
Posts: 34,820
Local Time: 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel View Post
So it's time for the right to start doing the same thing on their side, whether a person on the right commits violent acts or whether they simply say offensive things. If we have to do it, so do they. That's all I'm getting at.

Besides that, once again, with the GOP having people in power who are as ignorant as they are on women's health issues, this can pose its own dangers for people should they get their way on any legislation related to the topic. It's not terrorism, no, but it's still pretty frightening for a woman.
rape IS one (or group)-to-one terrorism. period. It is about control, domination, violence etc.

The comment was totally disgusting and abhorent.
__________________

dazzledbylight is offline  
Old 10-28-2012, 11:51 PM   #83
Blue Crack Supplier
 
dazzledbylight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: in the sound dancing - w Bono & Edge :D
Posts: 34,820
Local Time: 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearl View Post
I don't think what I said is ridiculous at all. Because you are calling what Mourdock said an "off-hand comment", says to me that you don't understand the severity of what he said. To say "off-hand" means that Mourdock didn't think before speaking, which is highly doubtful. To say "comment" is not true because Mourdock was in the position of making a statement.

I hope you realize that many women in this country are worried and even fearful of what will happen if Romney wins and/or the GOP takes over Congress. We are nervous over what will happen to our reproductive rights, which is in the hands of many politicians who clearly are ignorant not only of our bodies, but what we go through each and every day.

Exactly. Mourdock is campaigning for office and has many supporters - which is disturbing.

And it should be frightening to a man, too. Would you want your mother, sister, wife, girlfriend, daughter to be forced to carry a baby to term despite being raped or having her health on the line?
Very well said, Pearl.
dazzledbylight is offline  
Old 10-29-2012, 12:10 AM   #84
45:33
 
cobl04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: East Point to Shaolin
Posts: 58,208
Local Time: 10:40 PM
This is floating 'round the internetz today

cobl04 is online now  
Old 10-29-2012, 12:11 AM   #85
Blue Crack Supplier
 
dazzledbylight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: in the sound dancing - w Bono & Edge :D
Posts: 34,820
Local Time: 07:40 AM
great link, pearl!

my only suggestion would have been on her aerticle

women are people, too.

(And NOT as they are still perceived to be by too many men as their own personal brood mare as well as dumb, home and kitchen bound)
dazzledbylight is offline  
Old 10-29-2012, 12:25 AM   #86
Blue Crack Supplier
 
dazzledbylight's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: in the sound dancing - w Bono & Edge :D
Posts: 34,820
Local Time: 07:40 AM
storm to Pearl

storm & election terror s to Mrs S
dazzledbylight is offline  
Old 10-29-2012, 03:10 AM   #87
Vocal parasite
 
Axver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: 1853
Posts: 152,977
Local Time: 09:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by digitize View Post
Writing "Mr Obama" and "Mr Romney" rather than "Obama" and "Romney" seems so quaint.

(I've always liked his work though.)
__________________
"Mediocrity is never so dangerous as when it is dressed up as sincerity." - Søren Kierkegaard

Ian McCulloch the U2 fan:
"Who buys U2 records anyway? It's just music for plumbers and bricklayers. Bono, what a slob. You'd think with all that climbing about he does, he'd look real fit and that. But he's real fat, y'know. Reminds me of a soddin' mountain goat."
"And as for Bono, he needs a colostomy bag for his mouth."

U2gigs: The most comprehensive U2 setlist database!
Gig pictures | Blog
Axver is offline  
Old 10-29-2012, 08:13 AM   #88
Blue Crack Addict
 
Moonlit_Angel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: In a dimension known as the Twilight Zone...do de doo doo, do de doo doo...
Posts: 20,715
Local Time: 06:40 AM
I really, REALLY hope that storm doesn't mess with the election much, if at all *Rubs temples, sighs*.

Hope everyone in its path stays safe.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caleb8844 View Post
I didn't bring up the Ayers-Mourdock comparison
No, but I think what he's getting at is that instead of actually addressing how horrible what Mourdock said was, we had to get into a discussion over whether or not they're on the same level of offensiveness. Which, again, wasn't the main point I was trying to make-no doubt they're on different levels, but the fact remains that they are both pretty horrific things to think/say/do. No politician who wants to run any part of the population should be stating such ignorant views aloud.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dazzledbylight View Post
rape IS one (or group)-to-one terrorism. period. It is about control, domination, violence etc.

The comment was totally disgusting and abhorent.
Fully agreed. I was referring more to politicians' lawmaking policy there, but even then...yeah. It's pretty disturbing.

But heck, if we are going to go with actions of equal measure, okay, fine, then why aren't the GOP and its supporters out publicly condeming the people who bomb abortion clinics and harass women who go there? Where was the GOP when Dr. Tiller was murdered a few years ago? Why aren't they actively working to pass laws to do more to stop those people? I would definitely consider THOSE things acts of domestic terrorism, after all.

I would also add that if I were a conservative, I would urge the Mourdocks and Akins and whatnot of the world to shut up about these issues because they have nothing to do with rebuilding our economy. You know, the thing the Republicans keep saying they'll fix because Obama's supposedly done such a horrible job of it? If someone can explain to me how their constant obsessive comments on and attempts to change the laws in regards to whether or not women should be allowed to have an abortion in cases of rape tie into actually fixing the economy, I'd really love to hear it!

Pearl, well said on your posts, too.
Moonlit_Angel is offline  
Old 10-29-2012, 09:12 AM   #89
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,741
Local Time: 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel View Post


But heck, if we are going to go with actions of equal measure, okay, fine, then why aren't the GOP and its supporters out publicly condeming the people who bomb abortion clinics and harass women who go there? Where was the GOP when Dr. Tiller was murdered a few years ago? Why aren't they actively working to pass laws to do more to stop those people? I would definitely consider THOSE things acts of domestic terrorism, after all.

Because for those people, killing abortion doctors and harassing women who go to the clinics is a form of justice to them. They got even with those they consider to be murderers. Eye for an eye, so to speak.

Thanks, Moonlit and dazzling for your kind words
Pearl is offline  
Old 10-29-2012, 05:10 PM   #90
Blue Crack Addict
 
PhilsFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: South Philadelphia
Posts: 19,218
Local Time: 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axver

Writing "Mr Obama" and "Mr Romney" rather than "Obama" and "Romney" seems so quaint.

(I've always liked his work though.)
That's a New York Times thing, not a Nate Silver thing. They title everyone. A story about fucking Snooki would refer to her as Ms. Polizzi.
PhilsFan is offline  
Old 10-29-2012, 05:56 PM   #91
Vocal parasite
 
Axver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: 1853
Posts: 152,977
Local Time: 09:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilsFan View Post
That's a New York Times thing, not a Nate Silver thing. They title everyone. A story about fucking Snooki would refer to her as Ms. Polizzi.
That's just weird.
__________________
"Mediocrity is never so dangerous as when it is dressed up as sincerity." - Søren Kierkegaard

Ian McCulloch the U2 fan:
"Who buys U2 records anyway? It's just music for plumbers and bricklayers. Bono, what a slob. You'd think with all that climbing about he does, he'd look real fit and that. But he's real fat, y'know. Reminds me of a soddin' mountain goat."
"And as for Bono, he needs a colostomy bag for his mouth."

U2gigs: The most comprehensive U2 setlist database!
Gig pictures | Blog
Axver is offline  
Old 10-29-2012, 07:40 PM   #92
ONE
love, blood, life
 
digitize's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York / Dallas / Austin
Posts: 14,076
Local Time: 05:40 AM
The Economist always refers to people as Ms/Ms Whatever too. And for that reason, probably, it was pretty common amongst the high school speech and debate community when I communicated, at least in Texas, because everyone reads The Economist. But I always somewhat associated it with British English. I think the BBC tends to use it as well.
digitize is offline  
Old 10-30-2012, 10:03 AM   #93
Blue Crack Addict
 
MrsSpringsteen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 28,170
Local Time: 07:40 AM
There 's some talk of delaying the election. Congress can do that.

I am SO grateful to have made it through the storm. It really gives you perspective and empathy for other people who have suffered far worse.
MrsSpringsteen is offline  
Old 10-30-2012, 10:28 AM   #94
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Pearl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NYC
Posts: 5,741
Local Time: 07:40 AM
MrsS

I would be surprised if the election is delayed. It may happen because many in Sandy's path could care less about voting next week.
Pearl is offline  
Old 10-30-2012, 10:36 AM   #95
Blue Crack Addict
 
Liesje's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: In the dog house
Posts: 19,563
Local Time: 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearl View Post
I don't think what I said is ridiculous at all. Because you are calling what Mourdock said an "off-hand comment", says to me that you don't understand the severity of what he said. To say "off-hand" means that Mourdock didn't think before speaking, which is highly doubtful. To say "comment" is not true because Mourdock was in the position of making a statement.

I hope you realize that many women in this country are worried and even fearful of what will happen if Romney wins and/or the GOP takes over Congress. We are nervous over what will happen to our reproductive rights, which is in the hands of many politicians who clearly are ignorant not only of our bodies, but what we go through each and every day.
Liesje is offline  
Old 10-30-2012, 11:39 AM   #96
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,601
Local Time: 03:40 AM
Silver is really hedging, if Silver is all you got, it ain't much



Quote:
Silver cautions against confusing prediction with prophecy. "If the Giants lead the Redskins 24-21 in the fourth quarter, it's a close game that either team could win. But it's also not a "toss-up": The Giants are favored. It's the same principle here: Obama is ahead in the polling averages in states like Ohio that would suffice for him to win the Electoral College. Hence, he's the favorite," Silver said.

For all the confidence Silver puts in his predictions, he often gives the impression of hedging. Which, given all the variables involved in a presidential election, isn't surprising. For this reason and others — and this may shock the coffee-drinking NPR types of Seattle, San Francisco and Madison, Wis. — more than a few political pundits and reporters, including some of his own colleagues, believe Silver is highly overrated.

"If you tell me you think you can quantify an event that is about to happen that you don`t expect, like the 47 percent comment or a debate performance, I think you think you are a wizard. That`s not possible," Times columnist David Brooks, a moderate conservative, said on PBS earlier this month. "The pollsters tell us what`s happening now. When they start projecting, they`re getting into silly land."
deep is offline  
Old 10-30-2012, 01:31 PM   #97
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,390
Local Time: 07:40 AM
deep, did you see who wrote that article and where it came from and then read the comments at the end? i notice you didn't provide a link.

because that article utterly and totally misses Silver's point.
Irvine511 is offline  
Old 10-30-2012, 01:54 PM   #98
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,601
Local Time: 03:40 AM
I posted that at my office, now I'm at home

this might be a link to the article

Nate Silver: One-term celebrity? - POLITICO.com

different pollsters, have different success rates at different times, I think.

I got into a conversation with a woman I work with yesterday about the outcome of the election. She first wanted to clarify that I was 'for Obama'. We had a conversation a few weeks back and she got very upset because she did not like what I said my observations were.
I told her yes, I am for Obama, and I know she is for Romney but that did not matter. I was just going to say what I thought the outcome of this election would be based on my observations of reading multiple sources and following these elections as closely as I have from the 1980 election on. What I personally want to happen has no real effect on the outcome.

I am one that thinks the way Silver is doing his handicapping of this election may lead him to be one of the more optimistic Obama win predictors. I think his margin will be less accurate than previous elections.

I still believe this election is very close, if momentum and swing voter trends determine this election, this may be the 4th quarter with a score of 27-24 Obama, but Romney has the ball and he is making good progress for a 6 point touch down.
deep is offline  
Old 10-30-2012, 02:15 PM   #99
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
trojanchick99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Los Feliz, CA (between Hollywood and Downtown LA)
Posts: 8,352
Local Time: 04:40 AM
I don't think anyone is disputing that this election is close. We all know it essentially comes down to Ohio. That said, seeing the data, my gut feeling is Obama will win.

Oh and I'd like to thank Bill Clinton for mentioning Climate Change. It's about time someone did.

After Sandy, Bill Clinton rails against Romney on global warming - CBS News
trojanchick99 is offline  
Old 10-30-2012, 02:26 PM   #100
Blue Crack Addict
 
deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: A far distance down.
Posts: 28,601
Local Time: 03:40 AM
I think this map will reflect the outcome with one change for sure, and then......

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Electoral Map No Toss Ups

Colorado will go for Romney, that puts Obama at 281

and with that, again, and I (with others) have been saying this for weeks, it is only about Ohio, I don't have a good feeling about how Ohio will end up, I think the GOP has a huge advantage in how the votes will be counted and tallied. We may end up in court, just like 2000, but the GOP, are better positioned to take this one.
__________________

deep is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:40 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com
×