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Old 11-07-2012, 12:42 PM   #801
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Tempora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis.

(The times are changed and we too are changed in them.)
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I wasn't really an Obama supporter because I am a third party person and I think both candidates will have the same economic outcome after four years. But then, as I was watching the live updates of which states were voting what I realized just how badly I didn't want Romney in office. I was genuinely scared Romney was going to win.

It was an odd thing to realize. As similar as they are economically, their social standings make all the difference to me.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:46 PM   #803
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As similar as they are economically, their social standings make all the difference to me.
If they move away from social issues, or at least moderate their stances, they will do a lot better with independents and centrists.

Not sure why this is just starting to dawn on them now.
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Seriously, they just need to get their heads out of their asses and get with the times.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:53 PM   #805
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Lol at this moron

So, I checked the Facebook of my craziest Right Wing friend.

He posted that he wants to move to Canada or New Zealand.

Even better, one of his crazy right wing friends says they want to move to Europe.

There are no words.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:56 PM   #806
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I'm moving to Iran.

Strong religious government. President believe what he says.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:57 PM   #807
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I'm just going to throw a dart at a map of the rest of the world and move where it lands.
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I'm moving to Iran.

Strong religious government. President believe what he says.

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The republicans on my Facebook are talking about how America is doomed and how we have ruined this country.



I saw some really racist/hateful posts last night about it. So I just decided to start posting in support of communism and claiming that this country needs FULL COMMUNISM and saying that Obama should become more leftist out of spite. They don't know what to do with me anymore. I am the black sheep of my family in this regard, along with my uncle.
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Even better, one of his crazy right wing friends says they want to move to Europe.
bring it on!
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There's all kinds of blame and spin going on today. But I've been seeing a lot of, "well the only reason ______ voted for Obama was because he gives you free shit."

So all you Obama supporters, what did he give you?







Here's the reason Romney lost, plain and simple:

The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.

When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the country’s challenges.

By Thomas E. Mann and Norman J. Ornstein(an employee of the conservative think tank American Enterprise Institute)
good quote

as an outsider in particular, i find the GOP incomprehensible and very scary indeed... it baffles me that they could get into such a powerful position...
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When is 332 less than 286 ????


Obama got 332 EC votes, or 62% to Romney's 38%. A big margin.

In 2004 W won with 286 EC votes. One state, Ohio was his margin.

In all national votes cast, Bush beat Kerry by more votes than Obama beat Romney.
Also more people voted for Bush in 2004 than people that voted for Obama yesterday..

The Electoral College really is terrible. Hopefully some GOP will see that now. I would just like to see it go away.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:28 PM   #813
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So Obama won the popular vote and the Electoral College. What do the margins of victory have to do with whether it is a good system?

I don't think anyone is viewing this year's election as a landslide or some huge mandate.
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Also more people voted for Bush in 2004 than people that voted for Obama yesterday..
Third party turnout was bigger this year (and not all votes have been counted yet).

Also, third party voters in Florida were greater than the difference between Obama and Romney. Yay!
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Also, irrelevant comparing a 2004 population to a 2012 population. There's still millions of votes to come in. In all likelihood, both Romney and Obama will pass Bush's total from 2004.
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So Obama won the popular vote and the Electoral College. What do the margins of victory have to do with whether it is a good system?

I don't think anyone is viewing this year's election as a landslide or some huge mandate.
332 to 206 is a huge margin

slide the popular vote down 3-4 million, good chance Obama still wins, but could lose popular by millions.

Please keep in mind this is not a partisan issue for me. Since 2000 when I studied the EC every which way, and did models, I saw how absolutely stupid and indefensible it is. Any GOP people I know would just shut down the conversation, because they believe the unfair system favors them. I tried to explain how the Dems could lose the popular vote by millions and still win the EC. The models were similar to what happened last night. Romney, GOP could easily pick up millions of votes in large (or small) safe states, especially CA, TX, NY, NJ, MA but not enough to change the outcome. Let's say in those states Romney got his supporters to the polls by 2% more? No change in EC votes awarded. But he wins the popular by a good margin.

The fact that these scenarios exist, and are plausible is just stupid. I would rather have a national popular vote razor thin, where the person that got the most votes is declared the winner, over one state being razor thin, and having that one state decide. Especially if it goes against the national popular vote winner, that may have won by millions. What is the rational in calling that a better system?

I am not arguing for an outcome I want. Except that the winner be the legitimate winner.
I do realize that one could be conceived illegitimately, even against the public will. Some people might call that conception an act of God. I do not recognize it as that.
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"Thanks a lot Christians, for not showing up. You disgust me."
I don't know who she's talking about. I voted
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332 to 206 is a huge margin

slide the popular vote down 3-4 million, good chance Obama still wins, but could lose popular by millions.

Please keep in mind this is not a partisan issue for me. Since 2000 when I studied the EC every which way, and did models, I saw how absolutely stupid and indefensible it is. Any GOP people I know would just shut down the conversation, because they believe the unfair system favors them. I tried to explain how the Dems could lose the popular vote by millions and still win the EC. The models were similar to what happened last night. Romney, GOP could easily pick up millions of votes in large (or small) safe states, especially CA, TX, NY, NJ, MA but not enough to change the outcome. Let's say in those states Romney got his supporters to the polls by 2% more? No change in EC votes awarded. But he wins the popular by a good margin.

The fact that these scenarios exist, and are plausible is just stupid. I would rather have a national popular vote razor thin, where the person that got the most votes is declared the winner, over one state being razor thin, and having that one state decide. Especially if it goes against the national popular vote winner, that may have won by millions. What is the rational in calling that a better system?
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The fact that these scenarios exist, and are plausible is just stupid. I would rather have a national popular vote razor thin, where the person that got the most votes is declared the winner, over one state being razor thin, and having that one state decide. Especially if it goes against the national popular vote winner, that may have won by millions. What is the rational in calling that a better system?
Totally agree with this. I just don't think that anyone who understands our electoral system saw last night's results and thought, "ZOMG landslide!"
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The Republicans don't have a choice but to find a way to court the Hispanic vote. It is a rapidly growing demographic that just voted for Obama in excess of 70%. The hard realism is that trend cannot persist if the Republican Party wants to have any viable future.
Did anyone else see the Republican (can't recall if he was a politician or just another talking head, or what network it was on) come right out and say, "we have a Latino problem"?

You may want to rethink that choice of words, buddy.
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