2012 US Presidential Election Superthread - Page 10

LuckyNumber7 · 11-01-2012, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anitram

This would immediately be muzzled by the GOP. I think it would be an interesting outcome but no way would they allow their people to rail against the EC. It's the only way that they still have any chance of getting elected.

Get rid of the EC and the GOP wouldn't get elected to the presidency for a generation, or two? Short of completely changing their platform.

I feel as though if the GOP were to change their platform significantly but keep some roots, they could be winning every election. As in... drop religion and all decisions it has on their policy making. Imagine that... a GOP against injustice and inequality! A GOP preaching separation of church and state! A GOP without members citing God as determination for logic and law!

I wonder the effects that would have... It would shake this nation up for sure.

deep · 11-01-2012, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irvine511

and i think the popular vote will be closer than the EC suggests.

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that is the case every time, it is very skewed

Reagan won 49 states, and got 525 of the 538 EC votes, that is 98%

popular vote? 58%

LemonMelon · 11-01-2012, 04:37 PM

Calling OH, IA, NH and WI for Obama. Romney will take FL, VA and NC to keep things interesting. He'll also win the popular vote by 500,000-1,000,000 and it'll lead to some bitching about the EC that will be squelched before it can make a difference in the political landscape in the long-term.

Just a feeling. Which is all I need in this thread, apparently.

deep · 11-01-2012, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

I feel as though if the GOP were to change their platform significantly but keep some roots, they could be winning every election. As in... drop religion and all decisions it has on their policy making. Imagine that... a GOP against injustice and inequality! A GOP preaching separation of church and state! A GOP without members citing God as determination for logic and law!

I wonder the effects that would have... It would shake this nation up for sure.

adopt Dem platform?

deep · 11-01-2012, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

Calling OH, IA, NH and WI for Obama. Romney will take FL, VA and NC to keep things interesting. He'll also win the popular vote by 500,000-1,000,000 and it'll lead to some bitching about the EC that will be squelched before it can make a difference in the political landscape in the long-term.

Just a feeling. Which is all I need in this thread, apparently.

on that popular vote thing, hurting the GOP

Reagan 80, 84, 88 Bush 1 did great with popular vote.

Bush 2 did fine in 2004, and without the EC in 2000 he could have easily did more in CA, NY, IL, and even TX to get a lot more extra votes than the 500,000 he lost by. Keep in mind he did not spend and real time trying get any voter turnout in the decided states.

LuckyNumber7 · 11-01-2012, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deep

adopt Dem platform?

Not really, just a major direction change on one aspect. Keep in mind, I believe it was the Dems who picked up 'God' on their platform this time round with their backwards move.

There's much more to both parties than just pasting it as simple as calling it economics and social aspects, you know what I mean?

MrsSpringsteen · 11-01-2012, 05:15 PM

The crowd shouted U-S-A. Yeah, that totally makes sense

Huffington Post

A heckler interrupted Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney during a rally Thursday in Virginia Beach, Va., shouting "climate change caused Sandy" before he was booed at and escorted away from the event.

The man was standing near the front of the crowd and waited until a few minutes into Romney's speech to interrupt, just after the candidate urged his supporters to donate to victims of superstorm Sandy. The man held up a sign that read "End Climate Silence." The crowd shouted "U-S-A" and one man pulled away the sign. The heckler was then removed from the room.

Romney's policies on climate change -- or lack thereof -- are under renewed scrutiny in light of superstorm Sandy, which hit the east coast this week and caused major damage. Romney canceled campaign rallies after the storm hit and instead gathered supporters to a campaign-lite event gathering donations to send to those impacted by the storm.

Still, Democrats are pointing out this week that Romney has been dismissive of efforts to slow climate change.

"President Obama promised to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet," Romney said in his nomination acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention. "My promise ... is to help you and your family."

Former President Bill Clinton referred to that comment while stumping for Obama on Tuesday. "[Romney] said, 'Oh, you're going to turn back the seas.' In my part of America, we would like it if someone could've done that yesterday," Clinton said.

During the interruption on Thursday, Romney stood silently as the protester yelled, then returned to his stump speech.

"This is an election of great consequence," he continued.

deep · 11-01-2012, 05:22 PM

one thing about those crowds that shout, USA,USA USA !!!

they are: FIRED UP AND READY TO GO

(ok, that's two things)

MrsSpringsteen · 11-01-2012, 05:27 PM

DETROIT, Nov 1 (Reuters) - A Chrysler executive told Donald Trump in a Tweet on Thursday that the real estate executive and television personality was "full of shit" for repeating a notion that Chrysler is shipping U.S. Jeep production to China, which the automaker refutes.

Ralph Gilles, the head of product design for Chrysler, became the second top Chrysler executive in three days to strongly deny the claim, which was first made by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney last week to a crowd in Ohio.

Trump, from his Twitter account, said, "Obama is a terrible negotiator. He bails out Chrysler and now Chrysler wants to send all Jeep manufacturing to China--and will!"

To which Gilles, from his Twitter account, responded to Trump: "You are full of shit!"

In a second Tweet, Gilles added: "I apologize for my language, but lies are just that, lies."

On Tuesday, Chrysler Group LLC Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne, in an e-mail to employees, also flatly denied Romney's claim.

"I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China," Marchionne wrote.

Romney, speaking a week ago to a crowd in Defiance, Ohio, said that he had read a news article that said Chrysler's Jeep brand is considering moving "all production to China."

Jeep, Chrysler's global brand, has three U.S. assembly plants, including one in Toledo, Ohio. The others are in Illinois and in Detroit.

Ohio is seen by pollsters as a key "swing" state in next Tuesday's presidential election. It has been the site of intense competition between the campaigns of Romney and President Barack Obama.

After Romney spoke in Defiance, his campaign aired an advertisement that did not repeat the move of production from Ohio but said that Chrysler is considering making Jeeps in China, which Chrysler has said it intends to do.

Marchionne said that any Jeep production in China would be for the Chinese market, and that the company would not take any production away from Chrysler's U.S. plants. Rather, he said, Chrysler is adding jobs and investment at its Ohio plant.

Chrysler has been managed by Fiat SpA since it emerged from its 2009 bankruptcy, when the Italian company took 20 percent ownership. Fiat has since increased its ownership to 58.5 percent.

Marchionne is chief executive of both Chrysler and Fiat.

anitram · 11-01-2012, 05:58 PM

Fox News, you can't make this shit up:

MrsSpringsteen · 11-01-2012, 06:06 PM

Bloomberg backs Romney

After that he chugged down a Big Gulp and a large order of fries

In other Fox news, the Detroit Tigers won the World Series and Bruce is divorcing Patti to marry me

Irvine511 · 11-01-2012, 06:19 PM

That radical liberal publication The Economist endorsed Obama.

BonosSaint · 11-01-2012, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Bloomberg backs Romney

After that he chugged down a Big Gulp and a large order of fries

In other Fox news, the Detroit Tigers won the World Series and Bruce is divorcing Patti to marry me

Congratulations! Am I invited?

digitize · 11-01-2012, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irvine511

That radical liberal publication The Economist endorsed Obama.

To be fair, in recent years, The Economist could safely be retitled The Moderate Keynesian.

I enjoyed their assessment of the race. I didn't agree with it on all points, but it was a pretty good (and somewhat depressing) look at the election and the state of the US.

MrsSpringsteen · 11-02-2012, 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BonosSaint

Congratulations! Am I invited?

Yes. Johnny Depp will be your date

BonosSaint · 11-02-2012, 01:45 PM

I will bring a really, really, really good gift.

deep · 11-02-2012, 02:16 PM

Could the Dems actually gain a seat in the Senate??

this new map says, yes.

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Senate No Toss Ups

Will MT and IN go Dem?

Indy ?

anitram · 11-02-2012, 03:04 PM

Wonder if the Republicans are suffering from a case of buyer's remorse with respect to threatening to block Elizabeth Warren's appointment to the CFPB.

deep · 11-02-2012, 03:15 PM

you ask a lot of the reptilian brain.

INDY500 · 11-02-2012, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deep

Will MT and IN go Dem?

Indy ?

No, in Indiana we can still discuss personal religious beliefs and God and abortion and morality and choose to agree or disagree -- without the hysterics of the religion illiterate.

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11-01-2012, 04:37 PM	#183
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,427 Local Time: 04:46 AM	Calling OH, IA, NH and WI for Obama. Romney will take FL, VA and NC to keep things interesting. He'll also win the popular vote by 500,000-1,000,000 and it'll lead to some bitching about the EC that will be squelched before it can make a difference in the political landscape in the long-term. Just a feeling. Which is all I need in this thread, apparently.

11-01-2012, 05:15 PM	#187
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,170 Local Time: 07:46 AM	The crowd shouted U-S-A. Yeah, that totally makes sense Huffington Post A heckler interrupted Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney during a rally Thursday in Virginia Beach, Va., shouting "climate change caused Sandy" before he was booed at and escorted away from the event. The man was standing near the front of the crowd and waited until a few minutes into Romney's speech to interrupt, just after the candidate urged his supporters to donate to victims of superstorm Sandy. The man held up a sign that read "End Climate Silence." The crowd shouted "U-S-A" and one man pulled away the sign. The heckler was then removed from the room. Romney's policies on climate change -- or lack thereof -- are under renewed scrutiny in light of superstorm Sandy, which hit the east coast this week and caused major damage. Romney canceled campaign rallies after the storm hit and instead gathered supporters to a campaign-lite event gathering donations to send to those impacted by the storm. Still, Democrats are pointing out this week that Romney has been dismissive of efforts to slow climate change. "President Obama promised to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet," Romney said in his nomination acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention. "My promise ... is to help you and your family." Former President Bill Clinton referred to that comment while stumping for Obama on Tuesday. "[Romney] said, 'Oh, you're going to turn back the seas.' In my part of America, we would like it if someone could've done that yesterday," Clinton said. During the interruption on Thursday, Romney stood silently as the protester yelled, then returned to his stump speech. "This is an election of great consequence," he continued.

11-01-2012, 05:22 PM	#188
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,601 Local Time: 03:46 AM	one thing about those crowds that shout, USA,USA USA !!! they are: FIRED UP AND READY TO GO (ok, that's two things)

11-01-2012, 05:27 PM	#189
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,170 Local Time: 07:46 AM	DETROIT, Nov 1 (Reuters) - A Chrysler executive told Donald Trump in a Tweet on Thursday that the real estate executive and television personality was "full of shit" for repeating a notion that Chrysler is shipping U.S. Jeep production to China, which the automaker refutes. Ralph Gilles, the head of product design for Chrysler, became the second top Chrysler executive in three days to strongly deny the claim, which was first made by Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney last week to a crowd in Ohio. Trump, from his Twitter account, said, "Obama is a terrible negotiator. He bails out Chrysler and now Chrysler wants to send all Jeep manufacturing to China--and will!" To which Gilles, from his Twitter account, responded to Trump: "You are full of shit!" In a second Tweet, Gilles added: "I apologize for my language, but lies are just that, lies." On Tuesday, Chrysler Group LLC Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne, in an e-mail to employees, also flatly denied Romney's claim. "I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China," Marchionne wrote. Romney, speaking a week ago to a crowd in Defiance, Ohio, said that he had read a news article that said Chrysler's Jeep brand is considering moving "all production to China." Jeep, Chrysler's global brand, has three U.S. assembly plants, including one in Toledo, Ohio. The others are in Illinois and in Detroit. Ohio is seen by pollsters as a key "swing" state in next Tuesday's presidential election. It has been the site of intense competition between the campaigns of Romney and President Barack Obama. After Romney spoke in Defiance, his campaign aired an advertisement that did not repeat the move of production from Ohio but said that Chrysler is considering making Jeeps in China, which Chrysler has said it intends to do. Marchionne said that any Jeep production in China would be for the Chinese market, and that the company would not take any production away from Chrysler's U.S. plants. Rather, he said, Chrysler is adding jobs and investment at its Ohio plant. Chrysler has been managed by Fiat SpA since it emerged from its 2009 bankruptcy, when the Italian company took 20 percent ownership. Fiat has since increased its ownership to 58.5 percent. Marchionne is chief executive of both Chrysler and Fiat.

11-01-2012, 05:58 PM	#190
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 07:46 AM	Fox News, you can't make this shit up:

11-01-2012, 06:06 PM	#191
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,170 Local Time: 07:46 AM	Bloomberg backs Romney After that he chugged down a Big Gulp and a large order of fries In other Fox news, the Detroit Tigers won the World Series and Bruce is divorcing Patti to marry me

11-01-2012, 06:19 PM	#192
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 33,390 Local Time: 07:46 AM	That radical liberal publication The Economist endorsed Obama.

11-02-2012, 01:45 PM	#196
BonosSaint Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,566 Local Time: 07:46 AM	I will bring a really, really, really good gift.

11-02-2012, 02:16 PM	#197
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,601 Local Time: 03:46 AM	Could the Dems actually gain a seat in the Senate?? this new map says, yes. RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Senate No Toss Ups Will MT and IN go Dem? Indy ?

11-02-2012, 03:04 PM	#198
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 07:46 AM	Wonder if the Republicans are suffering from a case of buyer's remorse with respect to threatening to block Elizabeth Warren's appointment to the CFPB.

11-02-2012, 03:15 PM	#199
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,601 Local Time: 03:46 AM	you ask a lot of the reptilian brain.