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Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS Join Date: Jul 2004
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If you want to attack America in regards to Pinochet you would have to point out that they didn't invade Chile to depose him and liked the idea of communists being wiped out, and didn't try to send him to a world court. If America helped Allende and deposed Pinochet then Allende's crimes would be attributable to the U.S. Allende was like Chavez is now. If Venezuela goes through a rightist revolution to push out Chavez and the U.S. stopped the rightists to help the elected Chavez, that would have to be the action of America today to make Naomi Klein happy I guess. But then America would be helping the communist Chavez. You can't win. |
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I actually meant it as a jab toward all the chiding over Obama and who he's associated himself with in the past.
This just shows that McCain has associated himself with some questionable characters in the past as well. |
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I forgot. The closer Election Day gets, the more election information flies out of my head.
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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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I want to know what Democrats are going to do so it doesn't happen again. If we don't eliminate subprime loans how will regulation affect this? You can't give a loan to a poor person without that being a risk to investors. They are going to have to remove this kind of lending or else more investor money (or taxpayer money) will go after bad. Yes I used bad sources on homosexual culture and I'm bad on finding sources on the internet related to social policies and social groups because I haven't delved as deeply in those subjects as others on this board. Because of my ignorance of social debates I'll just pass on them to spare other people. You'll notice my posts on economics are quite large and numerous. I'm much better on economics and there are better sources on the internet for economics. Economics is also has a track record that can be followed easier where failures can be found. People are either for or against gay marriage. In economics all people, (except suicidal people), aren't averse to getting wealthy, but they differ on how government is involved. Homosexual marriage is based on values that people hold and is measured differently than economics. I'll leave it to diamond and Irvine to argue about gay marriage. I'll also stay out of any abortion threads. ![]() |
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I'm awake at 6:30 am on a Saturday...about to see Biden
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Your "sources" have no shame. Choosing to peddle them unfortunately says something about you too that you may not want people to know. |
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Fucking hacks, I can't see why anybody would vote for the big government, torturous bastards that intervene in peoples lives for political gain.
Vote a third party that makes the GOP loose people. |
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How sad is for the drudgery report that the day after their screaming headline is a McCain supporter hoax, that the next day their screaming headline is a quote from "joe the plumber" ?? Apparently he is 'scared for america', I'll hand it to the guy, he's milking his 15 minutes a la william hung
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McCain knows this, so he's trying to pretend he'll be different. Not because he wants to be (and most likely has no desire to be or intention of being). Not because he will be (and most likely will not be). But because it's what he perceives the public wants. If he thought the public wanted four more years of Bush, he'd be bragging about that 90% in every speech. He's basically molding himself into what he thinks will get him elected. Fortunately, it looks like most people have just enough sense to see through that, so they won't fall for it, and he won't get those votes. Meanwhile he's alienating the people who thought the last eight years were just fine, so he's risking those votes too. IMO he should have never tried to run as the anti-Bush. He should have run his own campaign, and rather than tell us why he wasn't Bush, he should have told us who he was. And I mean who he really was, not this plastic version of who he thinks we want him to be. |
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Most people are going with Obama because they think they are going to get tax cuts (despite Barney Franks comments) and the Republican party is solely responsible for the financial mess. So yes I come to the conclusion that the intellect is not there in the general voter but I get to that point from the conservative angle. ![]() I'm all for updating regulations for these new financial instruments, but we all know that redistributionism is going to be implemented mainly by democrats and this crisis is being used to justify it. Look at Waxman's opinions on Paul Krugman (neo-Keynesian) and the Nobel prize and you know where it's going. Even Greenspan in practice was a major Keynesian with his push for ultra low interest rates. No wonder people got into enormous consumer debt so quickly, and others used that debt to gamble on the stock market. Now some conservatives don't mind some people on the right flocking to Obama because they feel the Republican party abandoned their base and would like them to jump ship to the democrats so the next 4 years will create ammo for fiscal conservatives to make a comeback. The ammo being a lack of deficit control and increased taxes beyond what was promised. |
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You are so funny. You really must only read the conservative sources for everything.
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There has already been a redistribution of wealth from Main Street to Wall Street - why is that acceptable? |
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[QUOTE=ntalwar;5563096]What polls indicate that tax cuts are the number one campaign issue? The economy as a whole is.
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In regards to distribution to Wall Street from Main Street (bail out) I'm not in agreement with congress or Bush. I don't like the bail out because I think it doesn't do much. Aren't they asking for more money now? When will it end? AIG example. AIG may need more cash due to restructuring - AOL Money Canada Also it creates a moral hazard. If gambling on the stock market leads to losses but those losses are bailed out by the taxpayer then future gambling will be looked at as not so risky because companies can expect the tax payer to always bail them out. I essentially agree with you that the economy as a whole is the main issue of the election but I went into more detail of the root causes and I'll list all I can think of for issues: - low interest rates for a long time that allowed people to get into huge debt. Yes it's partially the public's fault for giving into consumer debt and greed for flipping securities and assets with the belief the market would always go up. Yet politcians usually avoid blaming those people knowing they may lose votes from them. I think Palin talked about living within your own means, and Obama made a comment of Bush saying "let's go shopping". Yet it's still too vague to make any dent. I certainly hope people limit their shopping to something reasonable, but will they? - lack of regulations for new financial instruments. When debt is created it should be disallowed to be sold in portions to other people via bundled securities that include biased Standard and Poor ratings. Only prideful libertarians would defend zero regulation. - subprime loans. If people don't have a downpayment and they don't have enough income so mortgage payments are only 30% of their pay then they should look for smaller accomodations or rent until they can save for a bigger downpayment to lower the overall mortgage payments. Capitalism fails temporarily because of people incurring too much debt (boom) and have to pay it back later (bust). Yet capitalism recovers, if it's allowed to. That's why I tell people to save as much as you can, especially during a boom, so they can handle the cycles better. I also urge to avoid the tax and spend attitude of the government because it just makes it harder for people to save who still have jobs during the recession. That savings creates new jobs and the recovery in the future. The faster the savings the faster the recovery. Savings also creates independence so less people have to rely on the taxpayer and more people will have a nest egg for retirement. I think McCain's policies of reviewing all programs to find waste areas to cut will help resist the urge to raise taxes and that is a better way of handling the natural recession. The only way to avoid booms and busts would be if all people were rational and not emotional and nobody took on debt they couldn't handle, but that would be a perfect system. I think perfect systems don't exist. Everytime there is a crisis we need to add on what we learned and not revert to failed redistribution policies of the past. Eg. New Deal, Great Society. These systems invented in the 30's and 60's were supposed to eliminate poverty but they didn't. As long as somebody can take their handout and snort cocaine with it the choice factor in peoples decisions will be the main motivator for their success or failure. I mean isn't that what we are all arguing about? How much of a role is there for government? The appropriate solution is somewhere between the extremes of Marxism on the left and Libertarianism on the right. |
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