2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread-Part 11

[Dreadsox]

I was thinking the same thing. I like the idea

[U2Fanatic4ever]

Originally Posted by Dreadsox

u think

too bad I did not quote you.

here let me put it back for you then.

u have a lot of cajones posting that..

there u happy? I could care less. I took it out because I was trying to be nice but hey u helped me change my mind.. thanks..

[skjuls]

Originally Posted by U2democrat

Guess who just got back from a John McCain rally



I went with some friends decked out in Obama gear

Awesome!! You went to Newport News???

I just heard McCain was coming to springfield.....I don't know if I will head that way now!! Yikes!!!

[Dalton]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

No, I get McCain confused with all those other old white guys, too.

Just the other day I couldn't remember if the guy running against Obama was Colonel Sanders, Dick Van Dyke or Mark Twain.

I have nightly dreams of McCain lifting his arm to shoulder level and yelling, "The plane! The plane!"

[U2democrat]

I went because he was on my campus, and I'm the Young Democrats President so I wanted to be there I just crawled out of bed, walked over and met some friends.

It wasn't packed like I expected it to be, there was a LOT of empty space. Honestly, if it had been Obama they would have had to do it in the football stadium, and even there it would have been packed.

I stood over by the press and had a nice conversation with NBC's Kelly O'Donnell. The McCain people overall just didn't even acknowledge us, which is fine, but Obama sure was called a bunch of nasty names, though nothing too out of the ordinary.

So, in the last month I have seen:
Obama-3 times
Biden-twice (including a hug and a kiss)
McCain-once

It's been interesting...

[Varitek]

nasty names not too out of the ordinary could really be anything these days, including the n-word, terrorist, etc.

[Dreadsox]

Originally Posted by U2Fanatic4ever

here let me put it back for you then.


there u happy? I could care less. I took it out because I was trying to be nice but hey u helped me change my mind.. thanks..

Thanks...now my post is in context. Keep trying...maybe it will come naturally.

[JOFO]

Did Jonny Mac do anything mavericky?

[Dreadsox]

Originally Posted by Varitek

nasty names not too out of the ordinary could really be anything these days, including the n-word, terrorist, etc.

I think my post pretty much demonstrates the tactics the extreme right is willing to take to defeat Obama.

What pisses me off is how it reminds me of MoveOn.org in the last election.

[U2democrat]

Originally Posted by JOFO

Did Jonny Mac do anything mavericky?

Well he was introduced, a song was playing, the song ended, and he still hadn't come out. Another song started playing, and after awhile he finally appeared, lol. He really didn't say anything I hadn't heard before.

[Dreadsox]

He was wandering around like he did in the debate...hehe

[U2Fanatic4ever]

Originally Posted by Dreadsox

Thanks...now my post is in context. Keep trying...maybe it will come naturally.

never.

[JOFO]

Originally Posted by U2democrat

Well he was introduced, a song was playing, the song ended, and he still hadn't come out. Another song started playing, and after awhile he finally appeared.

See, it's all part of his master plan. He's got all the pundits fooled. As shown by the example above, he's a risk taker, follows his own path, and knows how to win wars.

Still a maverick after all these years........

[U2democrat]

I did find it amusing that he pulled the socialist card again, everyone in the crowd was shouting "OBAMA'S A SOCIALIST!" and complaining about redistribution of the wealth..........then everyone applauded when he pledged to protect Social Security and Medicare............................

[skjuls]

Originally Posted by U2democrat

I did find it amusing that he pulled the socialist card again, everyone in the crowd was shouting "OBAMA'S A SOCIALIST!" and complaining about redistribution of the wealth..........then everyone applauded when he pledged to protect Social Security and Medicare............................

Sigh! Didn't McCain say on Larry King that he didn't believe Obama was a socialist but he keeps playing the socialist card! Sheesh!!

They were playing the rally on MSNBC and I got sick to my stomach.

Oh, I still the love the finger quotes. When will he gives those up??

[Dreadsox]

In addition to the bullshit I posted before....here is a wonderful letter cirulating from a Christian from the year 2012.

http://focusfamaction.edgeboss.net/d...2012letter.pdf

[toscano]

Originally Posted by Dreadsox

In addition to the bullshit I posted before....here is a wonderful letter cirulating from a Christian from the year 2012.

http://focusfamaction.edgeboss.net/d...2012letter.pdf

Good to see some Christians taking offence at it

James Dobson’s ‘Letter From 2012 in Obama’s America’
by Jim Wallis 10-29-2008
James Dobson, you owe America an apology. The fictional letter released through your Focus on the Family Action organization, titled “Letter From 2012 in Obama’s America”, crosses all lines of decent public discourse. In a time of utter political incivility, it shows the kind of negative Christian leadership that has become so embarrassing to so many of your fellow Christians in America. We are weary of this kind of Christian leadership, and that is why so many are forsaking the Religious Right in this election.

This letter offers nothing but fear. It apocalyptically depicts terrorist attacks in American cities, churches losing their tax exempt status for not allowing gay marriages, pornography pushed in front of our children, doctors and nurses forced to perform abortions, euthanasia as commonplace, inner-city crime gone wild because of lack of gun ownership, home schooling banned, restricted religious speech, liberal censorship shutting down conservative talk shows, Christian publishers forced out of business, Israel nuked, power blackouts because of environmental restrictions, brave Christian resisters jailed by a liberal Supreme court, and finally, good Christian families emigrating to Australia and New Zealand.

It is shocking how thoroughly biblical teachings against slander—misrepresentations that damage another’s reputation—are ignored (Ephesians 4:29-31, Colossians 3:8, Titus 3:2). Such outrageous predictions not only damage your credibility, they slander Barack Obama who, you should remember, is a brother in Christ, and they insult any Christian who might choose to vote for him.

Let me make this clear: Christians will be voting both ways in this election, informed by their good faith, and based on their views of what are the best public policies and direction for America. But in utter disrespect for the prayerful discernment of your fellow Christians, this letter stirs their ugliest fears, appealing to their worst impulses instead of their best.

Fear is the clear motivator in the letter; especially fear that evangelical Christians might vote for Barack Obama. The letter was very revealing when it suggested that “younger Evangelicals” became the “swing vote” that elected Obama and the results were catastrophic.

You make a mistake when you assume that younger Christians don’t care as much as you about the sanctity of life. They do care—very much—but they have a more consistent ethic of life. Both broader and deeper, it is inclusive of abortion, but also of the many other assaults on human life and dignity. For the new generation, poverty, hunger, and disease are also life issues; creation care is a life issue; genocide, torture, the death penalty, and human rights are life issues; war is a life issue. What happens to poor children after they are born is also a life issue.

The America you helped vote into power has lost its moral standing in the world, and even here at home. The America you told Christians to vote for in past elections is now an embarrassment to Christians around the globe, and to the children of your generation of evangelicals. And the vision of America that you still tell Christians to vote for is not the one that many in a new generation of Christians believes expresses their best values and convictions.

Christians should be committed to the kingdom of God, not the kingdom of America, and the church is to live an alternative existence of love and justice, offering a prophetic witness to politics. Elections are full of imperfect choices where we all seek to what is best for the “common good” by applying the values of our faith as best we can.

Dr. Dobson, you of course have the same right as every Christian and every American to vote your own convictions on the issues you most care about, but you have chosen to insult the convictions of millions of other Christians, whose own deeply held faith convictions might motivate them to vote differently than you. This epistle of fear is perhaps the dying gasp of a discredited heterodoxy of conservative religion and conservative politics. But out of that death, a resurrection of biblical politics more faithful to the whole gospel—one that is truly good news—might indeed be coming to life.

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by U2democrat

I went because he was on my campus, and I'm the Young Democrats President so I wanted to be there I just crawled out of bed, walked over and met some friends.

That's cool. I have to admit, when you said you showed up all decked out in Obama gear, I thought maybe you went to rabble rouse.

[U2democrat]

I went more out of curiosity than anything. I've also struck up a very positive relationship with the College Republicans here, they respect what we do and we respect what they do. Good practice for working with colleagues in Congress down the road

[kellyahern]

I wonder if she told those darn kids to get off her lawn too.