2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread-Part 11 - Page 31

Kieran McConville · 10-30-2008, 01:30 AM

What is it that you would want to see happen, OutofControl? Should people explicitly vote for McCain just to satisfy you that no special treatment is being given to the black guy?

The discourse is soon going to eat its own tail. Seriously.

Varitek · 10-30-2008, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by diamond

This is scary:

YouTube - Obama Natural Born II Update

Even though Obama will probably win the election in the popular vote on Nov. 4th, the Electoral College doesn't cast their vote until Dec. 15th.

What if it's found out that Obama isn't a citizen thereby disqualifying him, and the Electoral College is left w/no other option but to vote McCain in?

I can see complete anarchy and pandemonium breaking out.

Pray for America.

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Yet another lie. I actually made it halfway through that obnoxious video to discover the premise of their argument, which would be weak anyway because of its dubious basis in fact. The premise is that if someone is born to a parent who isn't a US citizen, and that country doesn't recognize dual citizenship, then that country's laws take precedence over American laws, in America. That's false. The end.

Dalton · 10-30-2008, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ImOuttaControl

Common Sense, that's what I'm about.

U2Fanatic4ever · 10-30-2008, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Diemen

Do you honestly, seriously think a candidate for the President of the United States of America could a)make it even halfway through the primaries, b)receive the official party nomination and c)make it all the way to one week before the election without someone verifying that he's eligible to run?

Now I know you're not being serious.

FTW...seriously how many times has someone mentioned this very thing to diamond and others who have posted this BS.. many times i tell ya..

as stated, he wouldn't of gotten this far if there was any truth to this rumor. jeez

Kieran McConville · 10-30-2008, 06:54 AM

Yeah but the point of the rumourmongering is to sow doubt... to maybe stop him getting any further, or to foul the play if he does. I doubt anyone really believes it amounts to a sack of shit.

I suspect that this time it will be quite futile, anyhow.

Kieran McConville · 10-30-2008, 07:02 AM

Oh yeah and I forgot the other purpose - to establish a bit of mythology to sustain the far right in the years to come. Every Democratic president needs nefarious stories of unspeakable evil around to rile up the base. Clinton had his, and so will Obama.

anitram · 10-30-2008, 07:49 AM

diamond has still not answered my question about whether Obama's grandmother has made a remarkable, miraculous recovery given how he stated that Obama's visit to her was "suspect."

martha · 10-30-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by anitram

diamond has still not answered my question about whether Obama's grandmother has made a remarkable, miraculous recovery given how he stated that Obama's visit to her was "suspect."

He hasn't checked his email yet.

toscano · 10-30-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by martha

He hasn't checked his email yet.

Or with "his people in DC"

diamond · 10-30-2008, 08:50 AM

How come Obama's maternal grandmother (the sick one, who I hope is ok) has never issued a public statement about Obama's candidacy?

Her silence on that topic is deafening.

Perhaps Obama's visit was not only to visit her but tie down a few loose ends-who knows.

How come Obama's maternal grandmother stated he was born in Kenya?

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U2Fanatic4ever · 10-30-2008, 08:57 AM

U2democrat · 10-30-2008, 08:57 AM

McCain's going to be on campus Saturday

Meanwhile I'll be in the neighborhoods knocking on doors getting out the vote.

Heh...I just realized my face in my avatar looks EXACTLY like this

toscano · 10-30-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by diamond

How come Obama's maternal grandmother (the sick one, who I hope is ok) has never issued a public statement about Obama's candidacy?

Her silence on that topic is deafening.

Perhaps Obama's visit was not only to visit her but tie down a few loose ends-who knows.

How come Obama's maternal grandmother stated he was born in Kenya?

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*crickets*

BVS · 10-30-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by diamond

How come Obama's maternal grandmother (the sick one, who I hope is ok) has never issued a public statement about Obama's candidacy?

Her silence on that topic is deafening.

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Really? So every family member has to release a statement?

Why the double standard?

You've been shown the birth certificate, now move on...

No one can be this dense, right?

diamond · 10-30-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Diamond have you seen one poster praise Wright?

Praise? not exactly, but Obama seems comfortable with him-which is the larger point.

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U2Fanatic4ever · 10-30-2008, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by U2democrat

Heh...I just realized my face in my avatar looks EXACTLY like this

it sure does!!

U2Fanatic4ever · 10-30-2008, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Really? So every family member has to release a statement?

Why the double standard?

You've been shown the birth certificate, now move on...

No one can be this dense, right?

ummmm....

the million dollar question of the day me thinks..

BostonAnne · 10-30-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by diamond

How come Obama's maternal grandmother stated he was born in Kenya?

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I'm confused here... what if that was even true? What difference does it make? His mother is American, he was raised by her and her American parents. She was with Obama's father when he was a baby.. Geez.. my ex husband was born in Germany because his father was stationed there. Does that make him less American? Is he German because he was born in Germany?

My great grandparents came to American in the early 1900's. Does that make my grandparents non-American? Am I thus un-American too?

The fact is, Obama was born American and raised American. Even if he lived in another country for awhile with his Mother, it does not take away the fact that he is American. Are our military families un-American because they are based elsewhere in the world?? Do families that are stationed overseas because of their jobs or travel to experience different cultures become UnAmerican?

I am truly perplexed as to why you keep pushing this.

BVS · 10-30-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BostonAnne

I'm confused here... what if that was even true? What difference does it make? His mother is American, he was raised by her and her American parents. She was with Obama's father when he was a baby.. Geez.. my ex husband was born in Germany because his father was stationed there. Does that make him less American? Is he German because he was born in Germany?

He's pushing this bogus issue because Obama wouldn't be able to run if he had been born on foreign soil, it's one of the few requirements.

Republicans are desperate, so they will cling on to anything right now...

U2Fanatic4ever · 10-30-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

Republicans are desperate, so they will cling on to anything right now...

now that is a understatement IMO.

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Kieran McConville ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kony Island Baby Posts: 10,244 Local Time: 02:39 AM	What is it that you would want to see happen, OutofControl? Should people explicitly vote for McCain just to satisfy you that no special treatment is being given to the black guy? The discourse is soon going to eat its own tail. Seriously. __________________

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10-30-2008, 06:54 AM	#605
Kieran McConville ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kony Island Baby Posts: 10,244 Local Time: 02:39 AM	Yeah but the point of the rumourmongering is to sow doubt... to maybe stop him getting any further, or to foul the play if he does. I doubt anyone really believes it amounts to a sack of shit. I suspect that this time it will be quite futile, anyhow.

10-30-2008, 07:02 AM	#606
Kieran McConville ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kony Island Baby Posts: 10,244 Local Time: 02:39 AM	Oh yeah and I forgot the other purpose - to establish a bit of mythology to sustain the far right in the years to come. Every Democratic president needs nefarious stories of unspeakable evil around to rile up the base. Clinton had his, and so will Obama.

10-30-2008, 07:49 AM	#607
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 12:39 PM	diamond has still not answered my question about whether Obama's grandmother has made a remarkable, miraculous recovery given how he stated that Obama's visit to her was "suspect."

10-30-2008, 08:50 AM	#610
diamond ONE love, blood, life Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tempe, Az USA Posts: 12,856 Local Time: 09:39 AM	How come Obama's maternal grandmother (the sick one, who I hope is ok) has never issued a public statement about Obama's candidacy? Her silence on that topic is deafening. Perhaps Obama's visit was not only to visit her but tie down a few loose ends-who knows. How come Obama's maternal grandmother stated he was born in Kenya? <>

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U2Fanatic4ever Blue Crack Addict Join Date: May 2001 Location: nowhere..........man Posts: 20,254 Local Time: 12:39 PM

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U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 04:39 PM	McCain's going to be on campus Saturday Meanwhile I'll be in the neighborhoods knocking on doors getting out the vote. Heh...I just realized my face in my avatar looks EXACTLY like this