2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread-Part 11

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Dreadsox

Well, I cannot guarentee that Gore would have gone into Afghanistan given there were attacks over an eight year span that were responded to with strategic bombing.

I see what you're saying. But I think the magnitude of 9/11 is the game changer here. It was such a huge shock to the country, and brought us all together, especially in looking for our government to respond, that I believe that Gore would have gone.

If Gore did decide to go in, I am willing to bet that he would not under any circumstances have brought us into Iraq and then maybe we would have completed the job in Afghanistan.

I truly believe that Bush had determined the correct course of action with Afghanistan at the start. Sadly, the influences in the administration brought us to Iraq before finishing the job.

I agree with all of this.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

zomg, please don't ban me for daring to speak for you!

Touché.

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by Dreadsox

It is when people see someone abusing power to further their cause that concerns most.

Are you suggesting Diemen is abusing his power? If he were banning conservative posters, scolding them publicly or closing their threads for no good reason but doing the same for liberal posters, then I would agree. But he's not doing that.

[Dreadsox]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

Are you suggesting Diemen is abusing his power? If he were banning conservative posters, scolding them publicly or closing their threads, then I would agree. But he's not doing that.

Did I say that? Did you read the last sentence? Or are you taking one thing out of context to really piss me off?

[A_Wanderer]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

You've told me how I think, you've told us how liberals think, you've told us how Bono thinks, you've told us how rich people think, and now you are telling us how Al Qaeda thinks. Unless you have any shred of evidence as to how someone thinks, why don't you stick to just telling us what and how you think and let everyone else speak for themselves.

You've been wrong every time, at least this way you can't get it wrong.

He seems to be pretty much on target, Islamists constantly make the point that America is a paper tiger that can be defeated by wars of attrition, that by inflicting casualties it breaks your weak spirit. Mogadishu and Lebanon are two examples of this pervasive weakness, America is too soft and all a religiously inspired gang has to do is blow a few of them up and they get to keep whole countries under their thumb.

And yes the stated goals of the butchers like Zarqawi was to divide Iraq, to plunge it into a civil war which would end with the extermination of heretical Muslims and the conditions where the people could turn to religious fundamentalists for stability, a situation whereby they could start redrawing the map of the Middle East under a God-sanctioned government. That doesn't seem too out of left field, its one of the reasons behind the Anbar Awakening (something which seems to have happened in plenty of FYM posters until after a certain candidate acknowledged it - if you want names I'm thinking of Irvine and others who maintained that there was no way a military push with changed ROE could reduce violence).

I wouldn't trust people who saw AQ in Mesopotamia as a peoples liberation front to make decisions of consequence, not that there are any of those here, on that issue I think George Bush will be proven right in the long run and that his policy decisions from 2006 - 2008 will be judged in a better light than those earlier on.

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by Dreadsox

Did I say that? Did you read the last sentence? Or are you taking one thing out of context to really piss me off?

... or maybe I just misunderstood you. I'm certainly not out to piss you off.

[Dreadsox]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

... or maybe I just misunderstood you. I'm certainly not out to piss you off.

Maybe I am not typing clearly. Diemen has done nothing to make me think that he cannot do a good job.

Comments and digs like this

Some of the conservative posters are a little touchy about that, aren't they.

Do nothing to make people feel welcome.

[corianderstem]

Then I definitely misread you. Sorry about that.

[Dreadsox]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

Then I definitely misread you. Sorry about that.

I am pretty damn cranky tonight anyway...probally all my fault...so says my better half.

[corianderstem]

No worries - not your fault at all. I went back and read your initial post and yes, I completely misread the last sentence you wrote. Let's just say I read it to say the opposite of what you actually did say.

[A_Wanderer]

If they found Bin Ladens very decomposed corpse tomorrow (the man is dead) would it change anything?

Fault for these definitions of victory rest on the administration who were ham fisted enough to label it a war on terror and declaring that getting Bin Laden and those behind 9/11 was the be all and end all.

[Earnie Shavers]

Biden handled that interview well. There’s a part near the end where he gives a little “WTF is this?” look off to the side of the camera that cracked me up. Can you image someone in 2000 or 2004 asking Dick Cheney about George Bush wanting to turn America into a totalitarian state? Both Cheney’s reaction and the right wing reaction to the interviewer/station? Just as ridiculous a line of questioning, and I don’t know how Cheney would have handled it, but you could bet the station would have been banned in the same way, with far more ‘outrage’ rather than “what the hell?” humour from the reaction/commentary on it.

[Dreadsox]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

No worries - not your fault at all. I went back and read your initial post and yes, I completely misread the last sentence you wrote. Let's just say I read it to say the opposite of what you actually did say.

I am not sure it says what I meant now that I have read it. I am going to sip my scotch and take a break.

Besides it is almost cuddle time

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by Earnie Shavers

Both Cheney’s reaction and the right wing reaction to the interviewer/station?

... must ... not .... make joke about .... Cheney shooting someone in the face .... or saying ..... "go fuck yourself" ........ nope, not gonna make the joke. Not gonna do it ..... not gonna do it!

[Utoo]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

I'm wondering how we know when you are a regular poster, and when you are a moderator?

With respect, of course.

- Bluer White

With respect, of course, you may notice that nearly every moderator who actively posts on Interference does so with their own personality. Sicy has been shown to have quite the biting sarcasm. I've seen Khananda get into a pretty ugly discussion now and then. No one dares to question or mock them.

Seems to me like Diemen's having to put up with more than a share of "let's challenge the new guy."


ETA: I see that Cori has said something pretty similar

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by Dreadsox

I am going to sip my scotch and take a break.

I'm developing a taste for scotch myself these days.

Take a break, you say? ...... does not compute. I'm not sure my computer even has an off switch!

[BVS]

Originally Posted by A_Wanderer

He seems to be pretty much on target, Islamists constantly make the point that America is a paper tiger that can be defeated by wars of attrition, that by inflicting casualties it breaks your weak spirit. Mogadishu and Lebanon are two examples of this pervasive weakness, America is too soft and all a religiously inspired gang has to do is blow a few of them up and they get to keep whole countries under their thumb.

What people say and what people think are often two entirely different things when at war, of course you are going to say your enemy is weak.

[Utoo]

FYM----the uglier, more addictive side of the Blue Crack.

[A_Wanderer]

It strikes me more like an opinionated and biased poster (and most posters are, myself included) has been given mod privileges and continues to behave to other posters such as diamond, financeguy and the slew of Rush-lites as he used too, the only problem is that now he has a big stick in his hands which forces one to be extra-judicious in response.

[U2isthebest]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

Not gonna do it ..... not gonna do it!

You're welcome. I will go out of my mind with joy if he shows up on the SNL election special November 3rd to do one last Daddy/Son Bush sketch with Will Ferrell.:Pray: