2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread-Part 11
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Hon. James David Manning, PhD preaches about Obama'a mama, grandmama, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezco, William Ayers, and more in the message called "God Save America" preached on Saturday, 18 October 2008.
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Why doesn't this Preacher like Obama?
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Why doesn't this Preacher like Obama?
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Here's a better question: who gives a shit?
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Seriously, thirty seconds in and you knew this preacher didn't know what the hell he was talking about, you definately could tell he hadn't read his book...
Diamond, does it bring you pleasure to find a black preacher that doesn't like Obama? Was that the point?
Diamond, does it bring you pleasure to find a black preacher that doesn't like Obama? Was that the point?
Well, when a preacher, a supposed servant of God, engages in a slur of racial epithets, and I quote:
I tend to discount the rest of his opinions as the rantings of a madman, and it also seems to indicate that he has some issues with Obama's mixed ethnicity. Nevermind that these are words spoken in a supposed house of the Lord, by someone who is supposed to be an example to his community of how to be a Christian. Lovely.
Add on top of that the fact that he claims to speak for Obama's grandmother when he clearly hasn't met her and doesn't know her or her relationship with Obama, yeah. I don't give this guy too much credit.
What an utterly awful, undignified and hateful thing to say about someone you don't even know.
It's hate speech, pure and simple.
I tend to discount the rest of his opinions as the rantings of a madman, and it also seems to indicate that he has some issues with Obama's mixed ethnicity. Nevermind that these are words spoken in a supposed house of the Lord, by someone who is supposed to be an example to his community of how to be a Christian. Lovely.
Add on top of that the fact that he claims to speak for Obama's grandmother when he clearly hasn't met her and doesn't know her or her relationship with Obama, yeah. I don't give this guy too much credit.
What an utterly awful, undignified and hateful thing to say about someone you don't even know.
It's hate speech, pure and simple.
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Was that a serious try, diamond?
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1 week from now......we should know.
hmmm........anxiety at is peak ..........
need more alcohol.........
or Miles Davis records......
I hope we know... Not counting on it, but it'd be nice to wake up November 5th with a pretty clear idea of how the next four years are going to go...
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Well the preacher is an African American, it's racist to judge his beliefs without some in depth consideration, his peppery language is understandable if not justifiable because his people have been abused by the system and after that horrid Reverend Wright business we ought to be more understanding of where colourful religious leaders are coming from, I for one hope we can all try and understand where he is coming from, not question the judgement of those who attend his sermons and refrain from attaching racist labels like hate speech to his preachings, it would be only fair.Well, when a preacher, a supposed servant of God, engages in a slur of racial epithets, and I quote:
I tend to discount the rest of his opinions as the rantings of a madman, and it also seems to indicate that he has some issues with Obama's mixed ethnicity. Nevermind that these are words spoken in a supposed house of the Lord, by someone who is supposed to be an example to his community of how to be a Christian. Lovely.
Add on top of that the fact that he claims to speak for Obama's grandmother when he clearly hasn't met her and doesn't know her or her relationship with Obama, yeah. I don't give this guy too much credit.
What an utterly awful, undignified and hateful thing to say about someone you don't even know.
It's hate speech, pure and simple.
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Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling it's going to be a very strange post election atmosphere no matter who wins?
And not just the ordinary my guy lost, but something we haven't seen in a long while...
I think we can probably count on charges of voter fraud, if Obama wins Republicans will be pointing at acorn, if McCain wins Democrats will be pointing at voting machines.
I also think that no matter what this country racially will be very uneasy for awhile... If Obama wins you'll see the disgruntled racists and the folks that think he's still a Muslim, and if McCain wins you'll see a lot of people asking how did this happen and blame racism.
You're either going to have the pissed off "our country is going socialist" crowd, or the pissed off "not again" crowd...
I do not envy this next president, not only will he have to deal with one of the worse economic times in our history, two wars, and the hangover from Bush; but I also get the feeling he'll have to deal with a lot of unrest domestically, and how he deals with that unrest will be one of the first signs of how he'll be as president.
Am I the only one in thinking this?
And not just the ordinary my guy lost, but something we haven't seen in a long while...
I think we can probably count on charges of voter fraud, if Obama wins Republicans will be pointing at acorn, if McCain wins Democrats will be pointing at voting machines.
I also think that no matter what this country racially will be very uneasy for awhile... If Obama wins you'll see the disgruntled racists and the folks that think he's still a Muslim, and if McCain wins you'll see a lot of people asking how did this happen and blame racism.
You're either going to have the pissed off "our country is going socialist" crowd, or the pissed off "not again" crowd...
I do not envy this next president, not only will he have to deal with one of the worse economic times in our history, two wars, and the hangover from Bush; but I also get the feeling he'll have to deal with a lot of unrest domestically, and how he deals with that unrest will be one of the first signs of how he'll be as president.
Am I the only one in thinking this?
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Who is this guy and why should we care ?
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Because, like most christians, he's not happy unless he's hating on someone
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I stopped listening after he said that Barack Obama knows better than he does that his mother was trash
That's the best you can come up with?
Is that from yet another e-mail? Spam filter is your best friend.
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He's getting the same emails my wacko mother-in-law gets, she puts zero critical thought into reading them and checking if they're true and then forwards them to everyone they know. Sound familiar ? It must be something they teach in "religious-nut 101"
No, I'm thinking the same way. Even the latest edition of Newsweek addresses how the next president will be dealing with a lot of problems.
I also agree there will be a lot of anger and disgruntled people whoever wins. I wouldn't be surprised if there are protests during inauguration day.
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McCain links economy and national security
By Mike Glover, Associated Press Writer | October 29, 2008
MIAMI --Republican John McCain, scrambling after one of the biggest battlegrounds of the presidential election, is touting his history on national security and trying to link the issue of the country's safety to the financial meltdown.
In Florida for a day of campaigning, McCain is meeting privately Wednesday with former top military officers who advise him on national security. He was expected to issue a statement afterward outlining his views on security threats to the nation.
Aides said his argument is that he is better prepared than Democrat Barack Obama to lead the U.S. in a troubled world because of his military background. The Arizona senator is a former Navy pilot who was shot down during the Vietnam War and held prisoner for more than five years.
But McCain also is arguing that his tightfisted approach to the economy -- he promises to cut taxes and reduce government spending -- is more likely to help the nation recover from the turmoil that has frozen credit markets. He tells voters Obama will raise their taxes.
"Raising taxes makes a bad economy worse," McCain said Tuesday, previewing his theme.
Florida voted Republican in the last two presidential elections, and McCain was campaigning Wednesday in Miami, Tampa and Palm Beach. Recent polls give Obama the edge in the state and both candidates are competing hard for its 27 electoral votes, one of the biggest blocs.
It takes 270 electoral votes to win the White House.
Obama also was touching down in Florida on Wednesday for events in Sunrise and in Kissimmee, where he has scheduled his first campaign appearance with former President Clinton.
Campaign strategists said linking the issues of economic and national security would resonate with voters who worry about the direction the country is headed. McCain says so, too.
"The next president won't have time to get used to the office," he argues. "I've been tested. Sen. Obama hasn't."
By Mike Glover, Associated Press Writer | October 29, 2008
MIAMI --Republican John McCain, scrambling after one of the biggest battlegrounds of the presidential election, is touting his history on national security and trying to link the issue of the country's safety to the financial meltdown.
In Florida for a day of campaigning, McCain is meeting privately Wednesday with former top military officers who advise him on national security. He was expected to issue a statement afterward outlining his views on security threats to the nation.
Aides said his argument is that he is better prepared than Democrat Barack Obama to lead the U.S. in a troubled world because of his military background. The Arizona senator is a former Navy pilot who was shot down during the Vietnam War and held prisoner for more than five years.
But McCain also is arguing that his tightfisted approach to the economy -- he promises to cut taxes and reduce government spending -- is more likely to help the nation recover from the turmoil that has frozen credit markets. He tells voters Obama will raise their taxes.
"Raising taxes makes a bad economy worse," McCain said Tuesday, previewing his theme.
Florida voted Republican in the last two presidential elections, and McCain was campaigning Wednesday in Miami, Tampa and Palm Beach. Recent polls give Obama the edge in the state and both candidates are competing hard for its 27 electoral votes, one of the biggest blocs.
It takes 270 electoral votes to win the White House.
Obama also was touching down in Florida on Wednesday for events in Sunrise and in Kissimmee, where he has scheduled his first campaign appearance with former President Clinton.
Campaign strategists said linking the issues of economic and national security would resonate with voters who worry about the direction the country is headed. McCain says so, too.
"The next president won't have time to get used to the office," he argues. "I've been tested. Sen. Obama hasn't."
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The person I recently bought some makeup from- started sending me those types of emails. I kept replying (all) with factcheck.org and other Obama web sites and she stopped sending them to me.
Must have taken me out of her email list.
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Obama infomercial: Smart or overkill?
Jeanne Cummings Jeanne Cummings Wed Oct 29, 5:47 am ET
Barack Obama will go on national television tonight and air a 30-minute infomercial about himself and his presidential campaign.
Several political image makers, both Republicans and Democrats, say it’s a smart move. But is there a risk of excess in it, as well?
While Obama hasn’t made many strategic mistakes in his campaign against Republican John McCain, he has, on occasion, shown a weakness for extravagance.
In July, Obama’s visits to Afghanistan and Iraq generated comforting images of the senator with military leaders and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. But his trip ended in Berlin with an image of 200,000 fans, mostly Europeans, chanting Obama’s name.
In August, his campaign navigated the minefield of the Democratic Party’s feuding families to pull off a convention that began healing the wounds between the Clinton and Obama camps. Then it came to its conclusion between two Greek columns where a triumphant Obama delivered an acceptance speech to a football stadium crowd of more than 80,000.
Today, Obama is dominating the television ad wars. As of Oct. 22, Obama placed 150 percent more ads than McCain in Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia, according to the Nielsen Co.
Despite all that, and despite his lead in national and most battleground polls, the campaign decided to plunk down between $3 and $5 million to buy half-hour blocks of time at 8 p.m. tonight on NBC, CBS, FOX, Univision, BET, MSNBC and TV One for delivery of his final argument to the voters.
Could it seem to some voters like overkill?
Republican political strategist Alex Castellanos says that it might. But even his advice is to go for it.
“It’s like football,” says Castellanos. “People may complain that a team is running up the score, but that team is still the one that wins.”
The Obama campaign scoffs at the idea that the infomercial is more luxury than necessity. This is, after all, a campaign scarred by its surprise loss in the New Hampshire primary after polls had shown double-digit leads.
On the campaign trail, Obama’s warnings against complacency are taking on increasingly urgent tones. He has vowed to finish the race on offense and the infomercial is a part of that strategy, say advisers.
“With this historic election only a week away — and John McCain’s angry, desperate attacks mounting by the day — we want to make sure every voter heading into the voting booth knows exactly what Barack Obama would do to bring about fundamental change as president,” a campaign statement noted.
Jim Jordan, a Democratic strategist, says the broadcast is timed to sway late breaking, undecided voters who can often tighten or determine a close race in the final days.
“There is a discrete segment of the electorate, primarily female, who are late deciders. They care about policy and elections, but they are very, very busy. They actively tune it out until the last week or ten days. Then they go and seek and acquire information,” he says.
The trick, of course, is getting them to watch rather than click away to ABC, the lone major network that won’t air the infomercial, or to some other Obama-free cable TV station.
Politicians have had mixed success at that in the past.
Before this year’s Super Tuesday primary, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton broadcast a live town hall meeting on the Hallmark Channel. It was watched by 540,000 households, or about 705,000 viewers, according to the Nielsen ratings.
A better parallel to Obama’s strategy could be independent candidate H. Ross Perot, who aired 15 infomercials in the 1992 presidential campaign.
Perot’s programs drew an average audience of 11.6 million viewers, or 4.6 percent of viewers nationwide, according to Nielsen. His one simulcast on ABC and CBS on Nov. 2, 1992, attracted 26 million viewers, Nielsen found.
Ken Goldstein, director of the Wisconsin Advertising Project, said Obama may not draw as large an audience as Perot.
“Ross Perot was sort of new on the scene. People hadn’t heard of him,” said Goldstein. “I’d be surprised if there are a lot of undecided eyes or passive viewers watching the Obama video. It could be a lot of Obama house parties.”
But Goldstein and Evan Tracey, founder of Campaign Media Analysis Group, which tracks political advertising, said the real benefit to Obama could be simply the attention the infomercial draws from the mainstream press.
“It probably locks up 24 hours of the news cycle,” said Tracey. “It’s going to suck a lot of oxygen out of the room.”
Adds Goldstein: “John McCain’s only chance is to disqualify Barack Obama. He has seven days. Every day that people are talking about Barack Obama’s infomercial is a day that John McCain isn’t getting his message out.”
The biggest risk in airing the infomercials, according to the strategists, is that Obama could irritate people by interrupting their regular television viewing habits.
Joe Lockhart, a Democratic strategist, says that is less of a risk today given the hundreds of television shows to watch at any given hour.
“If this was 30 years ago, you’d be running a big risk that people who don’t want to watch it would be mad,” says Lockhart.
“The benefit is you get to make your closing argument in a dramatic way without the filter of the media. It gives you more context and texture than a 30-second or 60-second ad,” he adds.
Mike Murphy, a Republican strategist who was once a McCain adviser, agrees. “I don’t see any risk at all,” he said in an e-mail. “I’ve been urging McCain high command to do a TV show too, but….”
McCain, of course, could air his own show. Under federal law, if he sought to buy equal time, the networks would be required to sell it to him.
His problem is money. Unlike Obama, who has collected more donations than any other general election presidential candidate, McCain would be forced to pull money from a battleground state in order to pay for the national infomercial.
It’s that imbalance in resources that might touch the overkill nerve in some viewers and voters.
But Goldstein can’t imagine such a worry is even a factor in the Obama camp.
“Campaigns tend not to worry about overkill,” he says. “Campaigns, by definition, are overkill.”
Obama infomercial: Smart or overkill?
Jeanne Cummings Jeanne Cummings Wed Oct 29, 5:47 am ET
Barack Obama will go on national television tonight and air a 30-minute infomercial about himself and his presidential campaign.
Several political image makers, both Republicans and Democrats, say it’s a smart move. But is there a risk of excess in it, as well?
While Obama hasn’t made many strategic mistakes in his campaign against Republican John McCain, he has, on occasion, shown a weakness for extravagance.
In July, Obama’s visits to Afghanistan and Iraq generated comforting images of the senator with military leaders and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. But his trip ended in Berlin with an image of 200,000 fans, mostly Europeans, chanting Obama’s name.
In August, his campaign navigated the minefield of the Democratic Party’s feuding families to pull off a convention that began healing the wounds between the Clinton and Obama camps. Then it came to its conclusion between two Greek columns where a triumphant Obama delivered an acceptance speech to a football stadium crowd of more than 80,000.
Today, Obama is dominating the television ad wars. As of Oct. 22, Obama placed 150 percent more ads than McCain in Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia, according to the Nielsen Co.
Despite all that, and despite his lead in national and most battleground polls, the campaign decided to plunk down between $3 and $5 million to buy half-hour blocks of time at 8 p.m. tonight on NBC, CBS, FOX, Univision, BET, MSNBC and TV One for delivery of his final argument to the voters.
Could it seem to some voters like overkill?
Republican political strategist Alex Castellanos says that it might. But even his advice is to go for it.
“It’s like football,” says Castellanos. “People may complain that a team is running up the score, but that team is still the one that wins.”
The Obama campaign scoffs at the idea that the infomercial is more luxury than necessity. This is, after all, a campaign scarred by its surprise loss in the New Hampshire primary after polls had shown double-digit leads.
On the campaign trail, Obama’s warnings against complacency are taking on increasingly urgent tones. He has vowed to finish the race on offense and the infomercial is a part of that strategy, say advisers.
“With this historic election only a week away — and John McCain’s angry, desperate attacks mounting by the day — we want to make sure every voter heading into the voting booth knows exactly what Barack Obama would do to bring about fundamental change as president,” a campaign statement noted.
Jim Jordan, a Democratic strategist, says the broadcast is timed to sway late breaking, undecided voters who can often tighten or determine a close race in the final days.
“There is a discrete segment of the electorate, primarily female, who are late deciders. They care about policy and elections, but they are very, very busy. They actively tune it out until the last week or ten days. Then they go and seek and acquire information,” he says.
The trick, of course, is getting them to watch rather than click away to ABC, the lone major network that won’t air the infomercial, or to some other Obama-free cable TV station.
Politicians have had mixed success at that in the past.
Before this year’s Super Tuesday primary, Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton broadcast a live town hall meeting on the Hallmark Channel. It was watched by 540,000 households, or about 705,000 viewers, according to the Nielsen ratings.
A better parallel to Obama’s strategy could be independent candidate H. Ross Perot, who aired 15 infomercials in the 1992 presidential campaign.
Perot’s programs drew an average audience of 11.6 million viewers, or 4.6 percent of viewers nationwide, according to Nielsen. His one simulcast on ABC and CBS on Nov. 2, 1992, attracted 26 million viewers, Nielsen found.
Ken Goldstein, director of the Wisconsin Advertising Project, said Obama may not draw as large an audience as Perot.
“Ross Perot was sort of new on the scene. People hadn’t heard of him,” said Goldstein. “I’d be surprised if there are a lot of undecided eyes or passive viewers watching the Obama video. It could be a lot of Obama house parties.”
But Goldstein and Evan Tracey, founder of Campaign Media Analysis Group, which tracks political advertising, said the real benefit to Obama could be simply the attention the infomercial draws from the mainstream press.
“It probably locks up 24 hours of the news cycle,” said Tracey. “It’s going to suck a lot of oxygen out of the room.”
Adds Goldstein: “John McCain’s only chance is to disqualify Barack Obama. He has seven days. Every day that people are talking about Barack Obama’s infomercial is a day that John McCain isn’t getting his message out.”
The biggest risk in airing the infomercials, according to the strategists, is that Obama could irritate people by interrupting their regular television viewing habits.
Joe Lockhart, a Democratic strategist, says that is less of a risk today given the hundreds of television shows to watch at any given hour.
“If this was 30 years ago, you’d be running a big risk that people who don’t want to watch it would be mad,” says Lockhart.
“The benefit is you get to make your closing argument in a dramatic way without the filter of the media. It gives you more context and texture than a 30-second or 60-second ad,” he adds.
Mike Murphy, a Republican strategist who was once a McCain adviser, agrees. “I don’t see any risk at all,” he said in an e-mail. “I’ve been urging McCain high command to do a TV show too, but….”
McCain, of course, could air his own show. Under federal law, if he sought to buy equal time, the networks would be required to sell it to him.
His problem is money. Unlike Obama, who has collected more donations than any other general election presidential candidate, McCain would be forced to pull money from a battleground state in order to pay for the national infomercial.
It’s that imbalance in resources that might touch the overkill nerve in some viewers and voters.
But Goldstein can’t imagine such a worry is even a factor in the Obama camp.
“Campaigns tend not to worry about overkill,” he says. “Campaigns, by definition, are overkill.”
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The person I recently bought some makeup from- started sending me those types of emails. I kept replying (all) with factcheck.org and other Obama web sites and she stopped sending them to me.
Must have taken me out of her email list.
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Can you get diamond off her e-mail list too? 
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I never thought I'd say this in my lifetime, but way to go Shepard Smith (he's still a weird crazy cyborg).
Now Joe the plumber is a foreign policy expert? Methinks things have gone to his head..Who thinks he'll eventually get his own reality show-raise your hand.
Fox's Shepard Smith Forced To Offer Disclaimer After Joe The Plumber Interview
Now Joe the plumber is a foreign policy expert? Methinks things have gone to his head..Who thinks he'll eventually get his own reality show-raise your hand.
Fox's Shepard Smith Forced To Offer Disclaimer After Joe The Plumber Interview
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I've chosen you.
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The Hagan campaign is seeking a cease-and-desist order on this.
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I bet Hagan promised to stab God in the back. Think about that.
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