2008 U.S. Presidential Campaign Discussion Thread-Part 10.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by No spoken words

pejorative

You and your big words. You don't impress me, smartypants.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by No spoken words

The continued use of the word "intellectuals" as a pejorative term is the saddest fucking thing.....

According to STING you are imagining this.

[Earnie Shavers]

That video is funny. Very kind of the creator to provide the written commentary. There’s the ignorant line of thinking we’ve been talking about laid out nice and clear for everyone…

“FACT: Islamic radicals would be more welcome on the Upper West Side than American patriots.”

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, and from then on it just gets funnier. I can’t believe people believe that shit.

And diamond, if what you are suggesting is that the response from New Yorkers here is anything like the McCain-Palin rallies, then I really don’t think so. There’s a difference between yelling ‘wake up’ and yelling ‘kill him’.

[maycocksean]

It'd be interesting to have Sting explain away what we witnessed in that video.

I found that video as discouraging and the McCain/Palin mob flick. Equally dishonest, equally deplorable. And again it was the people making the video not the "baddies" in the video that I found most dishonest and most deplorable.

Sad.

[U2DMfan]

Originally Posted by yolland

True believer in what, exactly?

In the quintessential American myth. The patriotic, unabashed American fantasy and the fundamentalist biblical view.

The "John Wayne" revisionist history. The "Revelations" absurdity.

I could actually articulate this full idea to the 'T' but I have no interest in insulting near half of our readers.

Let's just say, the cultural divide in our country is not near as simple as Wolf Blitzer wants you to believe.

[yolland]

Originally Posted by No spoken words

The continued use of the word "intellectuals" as a pejorative term is the saddest fucking thing.....

You know where they filmed that? It's the Columbus Avenue Festival. Well-known of course for the swarm of highbrow PhD holders it attracts with its thoroughly pretentious and elitist medley of street vendors, arm-wrestling competitions and children's music and dance events. Kind of obnoxious to ram a political campaign march through it in the first place IMO.

[No spoken words]

Originally Posted by yolland

You know where they filmed that? It's the Columbus Avenue Festival. Well-known of course for the swarm of highbrow PhD holders it attracts with its thoroughly pretentious and elitist medley of street vendors, arm-wrestling competitions and children's music and dance events. Kind of obnoxious to ram a political campaign march through it in the first place IMO.

Having lived the first 26 years of my life in The Bronx, I'm pretty damned positive that NYC has plenty to offer in the way of the not-so-intellectuals.

[diamond]

i find the double standard a bit troubling here, but not surprising-nonetheless.

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[yolland]

Try running an Obama campaign 'march' through the Neshoba County Fair (in MS near where I grew up, where Reagan famously kicked off his campaign) and I guarantee you you'd get much worse than boos from the people whose festivities you're interrupting. A formal campaign event with the candidate presiding is a completely different setting--show me where people are shouting "Off With His Head" "Kill Him" "Traitor" "Killer" and "Terrorist" about McCain at Obama's rallies.

[Earnie Shavers]

Diamond, do you agree with the sentiment expressed in the written commentary? Believe any of it?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by diamond

i find the double standard a bit troubling here, but not surprising-nonetheless.

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What I find troubling is that you won't answer the questions you are given... but not suprising-nonetheless.

[diamond]

Originally Posted by yolland

Try running an Obama campaign 'march' through the Neshoba County Fair (in MS near where I grew up, where Reagan famously kicked off his campaign) and I guarantee you you'd get much worse than boos from the people whose festivities you're interrupting. A formal campaign event with the candidate presiding is a completely different setting--show me where people are shouting "Off With His Head" "Kill Him" "Traitor" "Killer" and "Terrorist" about McCain at Obama's rallies.

I dunno.

Suppose a group of Obama supporters had a parade going down Main Street in Cheyenne Wy during Cowboy Days, or Pioneer Days in Salt Lake City, Ut- state hoilidays held once a year in their states during the summer months.

Do you really believe that you would have the same vitriolic and obscene gestures and feedback from observers in Wy or Ut. as you did Manhattan?

Be honest now.

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[BVS]

Originally Posted by diamond

I dunno.

Suppose a group of Obama supporters had a parade going down Main Street in Cheyenne Wy during Cowboy Days, or Pioneer Days in Salt Lake City, Ut- state hoilidays held once a year in their states during the summer months.

Do you really believe that you would have the same vitriolic and obscene gestures and feedback from observers in Wy or Ut. as you did Manhattan?

Be honest now.

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Yes, because I've seen it. We're even seeing it now at McCain rallies.

You are ignoring quite a bit if you don't realize that...

[hiphop]

Originally Posted by anitram

Actually I agree with financeguy that I think McCain isn't a racist and probably this isn't the way he wants to win.

Sorry, but McCain yesterday talked of "whipping Obama´s you know what". This clearly is a racist remark with America´s history of slavery.

So what´s next, Senator McCain? Hang him from a tree? Burning crosses?

I thought there´s no place for racism in American politics anymore. Apparently, McCain´s last chance is to win votes from the extreme right, racist people who will never accept an Afro-American Prez.

[diamond]

Originally Posted by BonoVoxSupastar

rallies.

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parades.

2 different things.

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[diamond]

Originally Posted by hiphop

Sorry, but McCain yesterday talked of "whipping Obama´s you know what". This clearly is a racist remark with America´s history of slavery.

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no it's not.

it's mccain's weak attempt of trying to paint himself as the elder statesman and o as the inexperienced statesman.

youre jumping to the race card to quickly my friend.

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[BVS]

Originally Posted by diamond

parades.

2 different things.

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Read my post.


"Yes, because I've seen it."

and then I said:

"We're EVEN SEEING IT NOW at McCain rallies."

[BVS]

Originally Posted by diamond

no it's not.

it's mccain's weak attempt of trying to paint himself as the elder statesman and o as the inexperienced statesman.

youre jumping to the race card to quickly my friend.

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I agree. It's just an old man once again showing us his poor judgement in using a well known phrase. I don't think he's an outright racist.

[Bluer White]

Originally Posted by hiphop

Sorry, but McCain yesterday talked of "whipping Obama´s you know what". This clearly is a racist remark with America´s history of slavery.

So what´s next, Senator McCain? Hang him from a tree? Burning crosses?

C'mon now.

It was cocky old fighter pilot talk. Clearly not racism.

[hiphop]

Originally Posted by diamond

no it's not

youre jumping to the race card to quickly my friend.

Yes it is, and no I´m not jumping the race card too quick. What else should whipping an Afro-American mean, my friend? I don´t care whether he IS a racist or not, the remark itself is racist.

Diehard fans, of course, will excuse every racist remark of their leader.